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Westminstenders: Here we go again

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RedToothBrush · 09/03/2019 18:39

Vote 12th March: Meaningful Vote on the Withdrawal Agreement

Vote 13th March: If WA fails, vote on No Deal

Vote 14th March: If WA fails, vote on A50 extension

Not much more to add at this stage that's not repeating what's been said before.

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bellinisurge · 11/03/2019 15:50

I think the verb "overrule" has been used incorrectly. If a UK ambassador was quoted directly as saying " she was overruled ", I would consider it used correctly and with a scary meaning. If a non- English speaker is quoted as interpreting something she did as being overused, I would be less convinced of any actual overruling.

bellinisurge · 11/03/2019 15:51

'As being "overruled"'not 'as being "overused"'. Blush

BiglyBadgers · 11/03/2019 15:51

I just had to post this tweet because...I don't know...it just manages to sound like the end times upon us and made me shout "what the hell" quite loudly in public.

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HazardGhost · 11/03/2019 15:52

SparklySneakers I'm getting confused - some pharmacists are starting to blame brexit already when there's med issues but then there's always a pile on saying that's not true. Manufacturing problems do happen on their own and confirmation bias may be at play but if a pharmacist says it's brexit are we meant to shout liar? Grin
Either way happy to have buffered....

DGRossetti · 11/03/2019 15:52

If a non- English speaker is quoted as interpreting something she did as being overused

Sometimes, I believe spearchuckers have a deep insight into the universe ...

SusanWalker · 11/03/2019 16:01

Is TM like the fox who takes sanctuary in a church and the dogs have to be called off?

MaudBaileysGreenTurban · 11/03/2019 16:03

PMK

RedToothBrush · 11/03/2019 16:05

Part of thread following gov response in HoC

Ian Dunt@iandunt
Response: Meaningful vote tomorrow, talks ongoing, legal advice will be updated.

Clarke. Confirmed vote on deal will come tomorrow. What about Wednesday vote on no-deal and Thursday vote on A50 extension.

Minister says they "absolutely stand by" commitment to two secondary votes if meaningful vote defeated.

Cooper pressing that meaningful vote same as in legislation. She gets it. "Section 31 of the Withdrawal Act is binding

This is important. Govt comments earlier that you could have a 'meaningful vote' on a notional deal would be against the legislation, as it's supposed to apply to deal agreed with EU.

Bradshaw tries to press advantage: If govt uses an amendment tomorrow to make support conditional on a non-negotiated deal, that doesn't satisfy the law.

He's trying to block off the govt from doing another Brady - adding on some unicorns and calling it a meaningful vote when - again - a meaningful vote must be a real deal agreed with EU.

Minister again says they'll stick by legislation. Bit cagey.

My bold above. Good work from Clarke, Cooper and Bradshaw.

Will May break the law???!!

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SusanWalker · 11/03/2019 16:08

From yahoo:

Those aged 50-years-old and over who voted for Brexit, are “looking forward” to “fewer terrorist attacks,” a rise in their pension pot value, as well as the “cost of living falling.”

That’s according to research by Atomik Research, on behalf of financial services company SunLife, which surveyed 1,000 people over 50 on 4 March this year.

The group found that, of the 53% of respondents who voted to leave the European Union in 2016, 87% would vote the same again, while 7.2% would now vote remain and the rest wouldn’t vote. Of the 42% that voted remain, 82% still would while 16% would now vote to leave the bloc.

It’s important to understand what the over-50s bracket think about Brexit because this age group were responsible for pushing the referendum vote in favour of the UK leaving the EU.

Out of those that would still vote for Brexit, the survey gave an interesting glimpse into what they think will happen after the UK severs ties with the EU. When asked about what they “are looking forward to post-Brexit.” In order, they voted:

Sovereignty/Independence

Saving the EU membership fee

Fewer terrorist attacks

Cost of living falling

Pension values rising

Over-50s Brexiteers said the thing they are most looking forward to in a post-Brexit Britain is sovereignty — 59% put this in their top 5 and 29% said it was the thing they were looking forward to the most.

This is a sharp contrast to what those who voted for Remain said in the survey. Over 55% of those over-50s said “there will be nothing to look forward to when Britain leaves the EU,” but of the 45% who said they thought there would be positives, the thing most were looking forward to was the cost of living falling.

While Brexit would bring about greater sovereignty for Britain, there is little evidence published that Brexit would make the cost of living fall or that pension values would rise. For example, the paper Will Brexit Raise the Cost of Living?, published by the National Institute Economic Review, said that the cost of living would actually rise for households due to the rise in costs for getting goods to the UK — such as food — which would impact the shopping basket bill. Economists also warn that Brexit would affect wages, output, and inflation.

TalkinPaece · 11/03/2019 16:08

Jut place marking with
DO NOT STOCKPILE FUEL

DH and I have to drive for work - he'll do about 1000 miles this week - if there is no fuel, he will just have to cancel and take the loss in earnings.

In late spring I do up to 400 miles a week - again, if there is no fuel I'll just have to find a way to meet the legal deadlines.

DGRossetti · 11/03/2019 16:11

Those aged 50-years-old and over who voted for Brexit, are “looking forward” to “fewer terrorist attacks,” a rise in their pension pot value, as well as the “cost of living falling.”

And those (raises hand) over 50 who voted to Remain ????

DGRossetti · 11/03/2019 16:11

DH and I have to drive for work - he'll do about 1000 miles this week - if there is no fuel, he will just have to cancel and take the loss in earnings

To be honest, if there's no fuel, there will probably be no meetings to miss either ...

TheABC · 11/03/2019 16:12

I am drinking tea and waiting for the collective insanity to pass. We have 650 MPs in the HoC. Someone or something is going to tip the balance soon.

bellinisurge · 11/03/2019 16:13

Totally agree with @TalkinPaece , if anyone is even thinking of it. Make sure your car's petrol tank is never less than half full. That's all you should do.

67chevvyimpala · 11/03/2019 16:17

I am taking painkillers, eating chocolate and drinking tea and adding more stuff to this weeks grocery shop.

Icantreachthepretzels · 11/03/2019 16:19

While Brexit would bring about greater sovereignty for Britain,

I'm sorry - but why has this lie been printed?
We were always sovereign
giving up our voice and our veto and having to do exactly as whichever superpower we fall in line with tells us makes us remarkably less sovereign.

One of the most frustrating things about all this is the utter shit and drivel that keeps getting printed - as fact - when a quick fact check would prove it untrue. No wonder the vast majority of the populace have no idea what is going on - nobody ever prints the truth! And the lies they tell always bolster the delusions of the leave campaign.

TheElementsSong · 11/03/2019 16:21

Just got back from the school run, where as usual I made smalltalk with the other parents while waiting for the children to be released into the wild.

One mum (who I don't know particularly well) mentioned the upcoming Easter holidays.

"Oh," I said, "do you have plans?"

"We're going skiing in France, how about you?" she replied.

"How nice for you" I replied "and no, we haven't planned anything". With a very neutral expression.

Mistigri · 11/03/2019 16:21

some pharmacists are starting to blame brexit already

It's obvious that medicine cannot simultaneously be stockpiled and be on pharmacy shelves. So yes, its Brexit.

The brexiters are all over Eurostar queue comments on twitter saying "it's always like this". They are imbeciles. I take Eurostar 20+ times a year and I rarely wait more than 5 minutes to check. Typically leave our apartment in Paris at 07h15 for the 08h37 to London - gets me to Gare du Nord by 07h45 and I'm usually through check-in and security well before 8.

Booked to travel out of St Pancras Thursday evening and praying that it's settled down a bit...

TalkinPaece · 11/03/2019 16:23

DGR
He goes to schools. so yes, its possible that they will be shut.
I go to local authorities - they will stay open even on skeleton staff.

Bellini
After a long run, DH can come home with an empty tank, but yes, we will be making sure that at least one of the cars is kept full.

DGRossetti · 11/03/2019 16:23

While Brexit would bring about greater sovereignty for Britain

And we still await the one example of the UKs loss of sovereignty that isn't explained by the UKs acceptance of an international treaty.

Loletta · 11/03/2019 16:30

A bit more insight in what's happened in the last 24 hours.
Jennifer Rankin, Brussels correspondent for The Guardian:
Brexit latest: Theresa May was ready to sign off a text with Jean-Claude Juncker on Sunday night, but was overruled by London, EU ambassadors were told earlier.
The PM was ready to agree to what Michel Barnier proposed on Friday on arbitration assurances, not the revised backstop, but was overruled by London. EU sources think this was Geoffrey Cox, but not certain.
Deal was off at 8.30 last night.
Senior EU sources said in amb meeting that if British MPs decided to vote for the impossible, then they would be choosing no-deal.
"If you vote for something that is not on the table... it would be a vote for no-deal," one EU diplomat tells me."
Michel Barnier was indignant about Geoffrey Cox's claim in @DailyMailUK iv that UK could trigger backstop arbitration mechanism on day one. He read out this part of the interview to ambassadors. Seen as lack of good faith on UK side.

RedToothBrush · 11/03/2019 16:37

Yvette Cooper saying that the lack of time given to MPs to look at proposals is contempt of court and asks Bercow whether it is.

Bercow is at pains to defuse her outburst saying he doesn't want to say that but backbenchers must be given adequate time and he will keep this in mind.

In other words it's a warning to government not to try and pull a fast one as otherwise there is a danger they will be in contempt.

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DGRossetti · 11/03/2019 16:37

If it was Cox that "overruled" May, it suggests that she was trying to exceed her authority .... promising something she needs a HoC vote on ? Hmm ?

RedToothBrush · 11/03/2019 16:41

Alex Wickham@alexwickham
NEW: Over the last 48 hours, No10 has discussed with MPs the idea of making a unilateral statement declaring that it believes it is released from its obligation to stay in the backstop for more than a set number of years

No10 has suggested to MPs that it could say in a unilateral statement that it considers it “bad faith” on the part of the EU for the UK to be kept in the backstop for more than a period of up to five years.

But one Brexiteer MP briefed on the proposal described it as "legally meaningless" and said colleagues would take a dim view of the UK not meeting its international obligations. They said it is the "parliamentary lock in a different guise”

www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/alexwickham/brexit-unilateral-statement-backstop?__twitter_impression=true
The UK Has Yet Another Idea To Solve The Backstop, But MPs Already Say It's "Legally Meaningless"
Downing Street has discussed making a "unilateral statement" that the UK won't be kept in the backstop against its will.

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tobee · 11/03/2019 16:41

Possibly almost definitely a pointless question but....

who is currently favourite to win leadership of Tory party if TM resigned this week?

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