Westminstenders: Here we go again

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Vote 12th March: Meaningful Vote on the Withdrawal Agreement

Vote 13th March: If WA fails, vote on No Deal

Vote 14th March: If WA fails, vote on A50 extension

Not much more to add at this stage that's not repeating what's been said before.

You need an email address to set up a Google, apple, facebook or twitter account
most kids have gmail accounts that they manage through their phones
all university students have email accounts
just they do not use keyboards for emails

{ If the WA passes, she needs a note requesting 3 months extension to pass the WAIB etc}
The EU would accept that because they know that the UK hasn't done it's homework and at least the direction is defined.

Sorry yes this is a good observation. I think solicitors and other lawyers are still using quills and carrier pigeons. Many laws are years behind 'technology'.

Gosh, yes. I hadn't really thought of those wider implications. There are so many laws that just don't work anymore or are ineffective because the people making them aren't taking into account changing technology.

I can understand not emailing each other, Bigly, but no email address = never buying stuff online which to me is a really foreign concept (especially given the death of the High St). What also surprises me is how few people in that generation appear to have PayPal accounts too.

That's a good point Talkin, surely they have email addresses to set up their phones even if they never use them for anything else?

Or is it no personal email so they might have one through uni or work?

{You need an email address to set up a Google,}
Welcome to the world of mass surveillance!
From that point on you are tracked to within a few metres 24/7/365 (well, your phone is).
You can't even put a false moustache and hat on and sneak out for a clandestine meeting, as you might have got away with in the Stazi era.

'Paranoia is not what it used to be'.

Sorry, crossed posts Fluffy. Do you think it's a particular demographic in terms of wealth, education or class that are becoming disenfranchised due to not accessing technology?

Potentially, yes, Bigly. The lack of email address does seem to go hand in hand with low educational attainment and low-paid, often manual, work.

It's interesting talking to them about life in general on the phone and how insular and - quite often - angry they are at almost everyone, especially those with authority / the ability to have an impact on their lives.

Obviously this is only my experience from the limited number of clients I have, but it is interesting when I think about it.

Fluffy
If they have smartphones, they will have an email address.
They may not use it
lots of my clients just use SMS or whatsapp
they use contactless payment on their phones - so the banking app will have used their email address
but they use technology all the time - even the barely literate ones

At my 1st uni, we had punch cards

Ditto for me. You had to tell the program how much paper you wanted it to print on too. If you gave no instruction about paper when you went to collect your job the next morning, all you got back was a header sheet wrapped round your cards. If you got round this hurdle, then a typo on the punched card would abort the program.

When I was at school, my teachers told us that we would live in a paperless world of work.
Still waiting for that one.

{When I was at school, my teachers told us that we would live in a paperless world of work.}
Give it 3 weeks. Schools running out of paper and books, although that isn't what you were really meaning.
Currently reading my paper documentation from 40 years ago as 'floppy' computer technology has failed. CD disks aren't that reliable either.
There is a certain longevity to goatskin however, but the data density is awful, you need a lot of goats!

TiP, some don't have smart phones. And they've told me themselves that they really don't use technology unless they absolutely have to. There are plenty of people out there who have no interest in it.

Leclerc
There is a certain longevity to goatskin however
Nah mate, I trimmed my papyrus last week

And I know all about school shortages.
It has hit my household income by about 40% over the last six years

Sorry yes this is a good observation. I think solicitors and other lawyers are still using quills and carrier pigeons. Many laws are years behind 'technology'.

That would depend on the firm. Some bigger law firms are starting to not just embrace technology but revolutionise the industry.

RTB
Some bigger law firms are starting to not just embrace technology but revolutionise the industry.
They might be, but the evidence bundle for my current court case will all be paper ....
printouts of electronic chats, social media posts and emails
hard copies of screenshots
because the court system will not cannot cope with electronic evidence

So true about politicians and IT. Whenever I email my MP, I get a written reply in the post on expensive paper. I don't need that. It makes it more difficult to reply as I need to look up the letter and write out the bit that's wrong. I've asked for an emailed reply - even if they're currently bound to send a postal reply - to no avail.

Swedish
Whereas my MP happily engages in discussion on Facebook
and writes rather good emails

One of my modules at university was on the 'digital technology' and the impact on media. In 1998.

I had to write an essay on whether broadband would revolutionise society. Out of our class of 30 only 3 or 4 were of the opinion that it would. Notably we were the ones who were the heaviest users and at least two of us were already using forums to meet people with similar interests in real life.

Given that many of my contemporaries went on to be TV producers etc, I do think it striking. They would now be in their early 40s. The course was regarded as particularly good by the main TV stations.

They also didn't have particularly modern views about sleeping with people to advance their career. There were only about 6 men on our our course too! It shocked me at the time and looking back it sounds even worse.

{They also didn't have particularly modern views about sleeping with people to advance their career}
Damn, that's where I went wrong.
Too late now. Cocoa and watching the sunset anyone?

You can have a technologically-advanced law firm, but they all have to comply with the paper trial bundle requirement. Bundles are the bane of my life, quite frankly. I much prefer cases to settle before the trial bundles are prepared!

It's also amazing how much paper supposedly paperless firms get through!

{It's also amazing how much paper supposedly paperless firms get through!}
And clients money

Isn't paper one of the things that could become scarce with a no deal Brexit? The irony of a 'catch 22 loop' where the UK falters because there is no paper to do the necessary 'paperwork' on.

If the Kyle amendment on a vote between the WA and Remain got through the House of Commons would it have to happen ? Could Theresa May ignore it ? Would the electoral commission have to approve ?

I'm a civil servant. my work is in theory completely paperless. and the documemts we produce are. but I don't trust our database is, erm, temperamental. so I print a report periodically so I don't miss something vital.
we do use a lot less paper than 5 years ago, but unless the tools get much better and more reliable, some things will still need printing.