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Brace for Brexit

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tilder · 08/03/2019 10:10

I am a firm remainer and am pretty angry tbo. Feel disenfranchised and embarrassed about my country.

However. We have been taking steps to try and protect our family from Brexit fallout. We aren't stockpiling food or water (maybe some food itemsWink) but have done the following:

Made sure we have a few months of prescription medicines.
Several boxes ibuprofen and paracetamol.
Employed an accountant to ensure we only pay the tax we have to.
I have not moved jobs (despite a pay rise offer).
Moved our mortgage early to a 5 year fixed deal.
Managed pensions to limit uk investment.
Moved what savings we have to a non UK bank and out of premium bonds.

It's depressing and uncomfortable. I feel some of the above is a betrayal of my country. But then again, not sure I want to contribute anymore.

Is it just us? Is there more we could or should do?

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TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 08/03/2019 10:15

I’ve given up. Like a sort of passive hopelessness.

I don’t watch the news anymore. I feel betrayed by idiots too.

I’m so ashamed of the whole thing. I read somewhere about a country in Europe, not sure which one, but one that used to be behind the Iron curtain has an insult for people which is a Brexit. It means someone who hangs around and won’t leave.

The only paper l now read is the New York Times which has excellent journalism and seems to be bemused at the mess Britain is in

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 08/03/2019 10:16

It’s really helpful to read an international commentary rather then any shirt in the Uk oress☹️

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 08/03/2019 10:17

Cress!!!! Will the be a shortage of that too?😁

PRESS!

lonelyplanetmum · 08/03/2019 10:32

Is there more we could or should do?

•Go on the march. I know it's futile but hey imagine if millions turned up- millions.

Spend 10 mins a day doing some of:
• Email MPs other than your own. Eg to the TIggers to thank them.
• Sign every petition going to show your discontent.
• Contribute even a token to some crowd funded campaigns like the one to prosecute Boris Johnson as an example.
• Recruit one friend to do these things too.
• Comment on newspaper online, articles, Downing Street website etc.
• Join and like and share 48% type groups, Scientists pre EU, NHS pro EU, TIggers website, end the chaos- anything like that just to show the numbers increasing or not going away.
• Sign up to Yougov.

Peregrina · 08/03/2019 10:40

We got 700,000 last time and there look to be a lot more coaches going this time. So let's hope that we get a million or more. Will the Govt take any notice? I doubt it, but I will know that I tried.

ColeHawlins · 08/03/2019 10:44

I have actually bought an epic quantity of cress seeds for my hoard @TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince

Employed an accountant to ensure we only pay the tax we have to.

@tilder why is that specifically a Brexit thing?

ColeHawlins · 08/03/2019 10:45

Go on the march. I know it's futile but hey imagine if millions turned up- millions.

Sorry, but that did make me chuckle. Yeah, imagine MILLIONS all doing a futile thing together! Grin

Peregrina · 08/03/2019 10:52

Is it futile though? In the old E Germany thousands began taking to the streets to protest. Eventually the regime went phut!

lonelyplanetmum · 08/03/2019 10:55

How many million would be the tipping point to get noticed do you think? 18m?

That would be a big tailback across Hyde Park.DD gets restless waiting for the start as it is.

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tilder · 08/03/2019 11:04

I march and will be again. I sign up to register my opinion. Will continue to do so. I do not contribute financially to any political party anymore. Which is a shame as only politicians can sort the shit storm. But they won't. Nobody wants to provide for those who disagree. Which is about as undemocratic as it gets.

Why is the accountant a Brexit thing? Because it is a result of anger with politics and a feeling that I no longer wish to contribute to politics I do not want a part of.

Dh and i are both paye. High tax rate. We also have a private income. We have always done self assessment and paid the tax required. We knew an accountant would save money, but chose not too. How much of a mug do i feel? However, we do well financially and felt we should contribute.

I think the accountant is the bit that most depresses me.

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Backwoodsgirl · 08/03/2019 11:35

I am urging my family in the UK to stockpile and plan an escape route from the country.

Brexit has the potential to be one of the biggest civil challenges since the Second World War, and will probably be the start of another civil war

ColeHawlins · 08/03/2019 12:35

The last March I went to was Stop the War. That was 1.5 million. It was completely ignored by the Labour administration. I'm over marches.

alislim · 08/03/2019 13:35

You talk about things being undemocratic but if the remain vote had won would the leavers opinions be catered to?

1tisILeClerc · 08/03/2019 13:47

alislim Fri 08-Mar-19 13:35:30
You talk about things being undemocratic but if the remain vote had won would the leavers opinions be catered to?

Define EXACTLY what 'Leavers' voted for.
There are about 17 Million versions of 'leaving' so to make it simple, just name say 3 'highlights'.
Is it?:
Single Market.
Customs Union.
Fewer EU immigrants (but keeping immigration from the rest of the world).

Do you think it right that the vote leave campaign was fought using large sums of 'foreign' money?

alislim · 08/03/2019 14:50

I do not have to define anything. Thank you. Everyone is entitled to a vote and an opinion. It feels like an awful lot of remainers feel that this shouldn't be the case.
People talk about a second vote. Well, if that is the case please can I have a revote for the last 2 election results as I didn't like how they ended up either. No? And it could go on and on...
That is democracy for you.
Smile

1tisILeClerc · 08/03/2019 14:59

{I do not have to define anything. Thank you. Everyone is entitled to a vote and an opinion.}

I vote for you compensating me for all you have stolen from me.

FishesaPlenty · 08/03/2019 15:04

if that is the case please can I have a revote for the last 2 election results as I didn't like how they ended up either. No?

Err, yes. You get to vote again every few years, hadn't you noticed? That way even if make a mistake and vote in some crackpot party which starts to drive the country into ruin we get to vote them out so that their actions can be reversed. That's democracy. None of us have to stick with our bad decisions.

Peregrina · 08/03/2019 15:05

alislim - sure you can have votes for the next election result, and the one after and the one after that.... We do vote every five years as a minimum, but last time it was after two years.

So if Remain had won - would we have had more money for the NHS? Maybe, maybe not - the Tories don't like the NHS and would prefer to sell it off.

Would we have curbed immigration? Well, we haven't done with the rest of the world, which is entirely within our hands, but despite not having left yet, we have curbed EU immigration, so I think the jury has to be out on that one, but it's unlikely.

Control our borders - this was not a particular issue - we could already throw people out who weren't self supporting after a number of months, but didn't bother to do so. So will that change? However, we would not now be tying ourselves up in knots about the Irish/NI border with a real danger of re-igniting the Troubles and squandering 20 years of peace there.

FriendOrFaux · 08/03/2019 15:14

Hmmm. Yes we have an election every 5 years (at a minimum) but the government that is voted in then has the opportunity to enact their policies. We don't, as a rule, then have another vote before the government has the chance to govern.

I have no problem with another referendum, perhaps in a few years after we have exited.

MyNameIsArthur · 08/03/2019 16:09

Why move out of premium bonds?

bellinisurge · 08/03/2019 16:56

"but if the remain vote had won would the leavers opinions be catered to?"
They would never fucking shut up. Deal with Remain supporters not shutting up. You won. Get over it. You aren't the victim.

Millyonthe · 08/03/2019 16:58

I have no problem with another referendum, perhaps in a few years after we have exited.
Good idea. In five years maybe.

1tisILeClerc · 08/03/2019 17:00

{Good idea. In five years maybe.}
Well it has taken almost 3 years and the UK hasn't quite worked out what 'leave' actually entails.

Springwalk · 08/03/2019 17:09

I have booked a summer holiday in Asia, we have been going to the south of France for twenty odd years. I am not impressed with the EU after all of the insults from Tusk, Macron and Juncker, so we do not want to go there this year. I feel they will make a massive point with long queues at airports and petty behaviour etc.

Asia is cheaper and much more fun anyway! Smile

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tilder · 08/03/2019 17:11

Premium bonds are state owned. There to effectively provide a cash flow for UK government. With a (small) chance that the bond holder will win money.

I don't want to support the government in this way. Plus with Brexit, there are other places I would prefer to invest my money.

Which I am deeply uncomfortable about. I should want to invest in my country. And I no longer do.

Why do I view the post referendum situation as undemocratic? Because of the lies, misinformation and illegal activity behind leave. Because it was advisory. Because it is normal for a momentous decision to require a higher percentage to carry the vote. Because the vote was yes/no and not what, but apparently only those who voted no are allowed a say in what. Because a small group of individuals are trying to prevent all mps from having a say. Etc.

Plus. All this 'the vote has happened, now shut up' is just a little hypocritical. UKIP were based on disagreeing with the decision to join Europe. We are allowed to not agree. To try and silence that, by calling us unpatriotic because we hold a different view, is deeply undemocratic.

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