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Brace for Brexit

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tilder · 08/03/2019 10:10

I am a firm remainer and am pretty angry tbo. Feel disenfranchised and embarrassed about my country.

However. We have been taking steps to try and protect our family from Brexit fallout. We aren't stockpiling food or water (maybe some food itemsWink) but have done the following:

Made sure we have a few months of prescription medicines.
Several boxes ibuprofen and paracetamol.
Employed an accountant to ensure we only pay the tax we have to.
I have not moved jobs (despite a pay rise offer).
Moved our mortgage early to a 5 year fixed deal.
Managed pensions to limit uk investment.
Moved what savings we have to a non UK bank and out of premium bonds.

It's depressing and uncomfortable. I feel some of the above is a betrayal of my country. But then again, not sure I want to contribute anymore.

Is it just us? Is there more we could or should do?

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1tisILeClerc · 11/03/2019 10:11

It's not just NHS, but everything from builders, landscape gardeners, transport, retailers, a whole ecosystem. Prioritising labour from within the UK. Some funding could come from the Overseas aid budget, and by drawing 'students' from abroad, in the knowledge that once trained they will probably return to their home and help spread good medical practice. Proper governance to prevent asset stripping and being held to ransom by the USA big pharma.
I suspect most elderly would like to be in a place they can make and call their own. So rather than being in a 'home' with so many rules and a need for profit, they could be 'given' an 'apartment' which they can direct decoration and have their own furniture etc for as long as they need it. My FiL was in a home. he was got up, breakfasted and shaved early in the mornings to then sit around. he was most upset that he was not allowed to shave himself. It does not matter if it took him 30 minutes do do it himself, he was quite capable. It took some of his self respect.
For the trainee medical staff, there would be choices of single apartments and ones suitable for couples, perhaps even for a couple with a small child. Maybe build as a small 'village' which would then give rise to shops, creche and so on. No 'high rise' type apartments.
It may sound a bit 'pie in the sky' but then big plans are necessary from time to time, and now could be good to improve on what we have at the moment.
Alternatively the UK could sit grumbling about how mean the EU are.

1tisILeClerc · 11/03/2019 10:14

Maybe a 'leave voter' would like to offer something radical?

MissedTheBoatAgain · 11/03/2019 11:01

Maybe a 'leave voter' would like to offer something radical?

Don't think they need to as Leave was the majority vote.

bellinisurge · 11/03/2019 11:02

We're still waiting for the glorious thing people voted for. @MissedTheBoatAgain . Which country are you in, btw?

1tisILeClerc · 11/03/2019 11:10

{Don't think they need to as Leave was the majority vote.}

But 'leaving' isn't an end state, it is a new beginning.
Everyone else in the world apart from the UK is waiting to find out what the UK wants. It has only said what it doesn't want so far.
The UK will not be getting 'cake' from the EU, nor the USA, Russia or China or anywhere else.
If you jump off something high, it is usual to consider what you will land on, whether it is deep water, a soft cushion of some sort or maybe you have a bungee or parachute. 29 March the UK will be hitting concrete at this rate.

havingtochangeusernameagain · 11/03/2019 11:33

The whole world is looking on aghast at the absolute stupidity of the British government

The whole world really couldn't give a shiny wotsit. Why do people think that we are so important on the world stage? That's kind of what got us into this mess in the first place, thinking that we are "special".

MissedTheBoatAgain · 11/03/2019 11:40

We're still waiting for the glorious thing people voted for

People voted to leave the EU. Ballot was a simple leave or remain choice. The majority voted for leave.

1tisILeClerc · 11/03/2019 11:41

{The whole world really couldn't give a shiny wotsit. }
Not true. Granted many don't really care but there will be some rubbing their hands with glee waiting for the fire sale.
Mr Putin and Trump are quite happy with 'progress' and see opportunity.

bellinisurge · 11/03/2019 11:46

@MissedTheBoatAgain - any ideas how to make that work that is compatible with GFA? That isn't WA? Do they have special insight in your time zone?

TheShuttle · 11/03/2019 12:01

Many people are interested in the situation havingtochangeusernameagain, not least citizens of the other 27 member states who will be directly affected. Or people from across the world who think they might be adversely affected in some way by a trickle down effect. Or just ordinary people who find it hard to believe that an established stable democracy is willing to shoot itself in the foot. Perhaps many people know just how shit life is without trade, reliable food and medical supplies and wonder why the Prime Minister of the UK can seriously warn her citizens that people may die in the near future because of a shortage of medicines. Because of the actions of her government. This kind of thing surprises people. Then you have clowns who are seen representing the British.. Boris Johnson, FUCK BUSINESS,(don't take anything he says seriously when he might have had too much to drink) or Nigel Farage, only known for his no-show in the Euro Parliament and determination to take his EU pension. As well as applying for German passports for his 2 German-British children. Just as long as his kids are alright, eh... Or David Davis, who was just not that into doing his job and was fired.

I live in another EU country and it has got to the point where people are embarrassed for me.

MissedTheBoatAgain · 11/03/2019 12:08

If the voters want No Deal they will have to accept the risks with the Irish border. Can't please everyone at the same time.

TheShuttle · 11/03/2019 12:09

And people think we are important on the world stage because it takes generations for people to catch up with reality.

The uk was a big shot a long time ago now but people's views don't keep up with reality. I think Brexit is a wake up call to the rest of the world about the nature of our country and government. And people are taken aback by that. They thought the Brits were sensible, all fair play and bowler hats, a bit boring. Not racist and inward-looking.

Anyone else from around the world put in your two penny worth.

bellinisurge · 11/03/2019 12:09

@MissedTheBoatAgain as you don't live in the UK or the E.U., this isn't really a risk you need to worry about, is it?

TheShuttle · 11/03/2019 12:17

MissedTheBoatAgain, is renaging on an international agreement akin with not pleasing all the people all the time?

I feel so sorry for the Irish, fucked over by the British yet again.

And I remember growing up with the constant bomb threats on UK mainland, much more real and regular threats than the terrorist threats we fear today.

It is only with the utmost arrogance that the British government would put the GFA in jeopardy.

That would be the British government who knows that cost of everything and the value of nothing.

1tisILeClerc · 11/03/2019 12:21

There is a 'double take' going on here.
The UK is/was up with the front runners with technology and world class developments, in cooperation with others in the EU, the USA and elsewhere.
It is now being badly let down by a government and 'general public attitude' that is 150 years out of date and not realising that the UK is neither a superpower or 'special' any longer, particularly since WW2 ended.
How to 'reset' the political attitudes so that the UK realises it is not special any more, whilst trying to retain the Hi Tech reputation is the problem. Manufacturing has lost out to giants in China and elsewhere and although niche products may be a way forward the UK simply does not have the resources to take on China and others.

MissedTheBoatAgain · 11/03/2019 12:25

Allow Northern Ireland to merge with Republic and the Irish Border issue goes away. Northern Ireland gets what it wants as they voted to remain in EU and Ireland is independent of UK

bellinisurge · 11/03/2019 12:30

If you think that making NI part of the Republic is what the majority in NI currently want, you are even more ill informed than I thought you were.

TheShuttle · 11/03/2019 12:39

MissedTheBoatAgain

You have said you are British but have you lived in the UK for any length of time or have you mostly lived abroad?

MissedTheBoatAgain · 11/03/2019 12:44

Never heard anyone from Ireland, NI or the Republic say otherwise

bellinisurge · 11/03/2019 12:45

Then you haven't been listening.

MissedTheBoatAgain · 11/03/2019 12:46

but have you lived in the UK for any length of time or have you mostly lived abroad?

Was in UK till end of University, but outside and the EU for over 30 years now.

bellinisurge · 11/03/2019 12:47

I dread to think what the people around you think of the UK if you are the only Brit they know. It's like when I see Farage as the British voice on Fox News. Bloody hell.

bellinisurge · 11/03/2019 12:48

You have been out of the UK and E.U. for 30 years? It shows. With every foolish ill informed bit of nonsense you come out with.

1tisILeClerc · 11/03/2019 12:51

The prospect for NI joining with Ireland is a project for 30 or more year's time, after a stable coexistence has healed some of the wounds. There is provision for this to happen in the Belfast agreement but now is not the time to be looking at it.

MissedTheBoatAgain · 11/03/2019 12:52

I dread to think what the people around you think of the UK if you are the only Brit they know

Most Projects I have worked on in Oil and Gas have been a mix of nationalities. UK, USA, Australia, Italy, Holland, etc. BP, Exxon, TOTAL, Chevron are all multinational.