Westminstenders: May's Deal or No Deal

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Tonight: Votes on Amendments after May's Stitch-Up Promise which might nerf the crucial Cooper-Boles amendment as its now deemed 'unnecessary'. I think voting starts very shortly. (They are just summing up now)

A - Corbyn's Brexit deal
K - SNP's, banning No Deal
C - Cooper-Letwin bill paving amendment (which they hope not to move)
B - Alberto Costa's EU citizens rights
F - Spelman/Dromey's to enshrine PM's Brexit extension promise

Corbyn's amendment. You can ignore. Its going to fail.

The SNPs amendment should in theory pass, but with the vote on the 13th March and the government whip, it might fail today.

Cooper-Letwin (or Cooper-Boles whichever you prefer) needs to pass to ensure May can't worm her way out of the current timetable but it looks unlikely to pass. If it does it would come into effect on the 13th March.

Costa's amendment is interesting as he was forced to resign in order to table it (and protect his parents who are EU citz) even though the government have now backed his amendment. His speech was striking in how he stressed it was about people not party politics.

Looking like Spelman has been withdrawn. So possible there will be no vote on it, as May has promised a vote on extension on the 14th March.

The battle now turns to how long the (almost inevitable) a50 extension will be.

March 12th (or earlier): Second vote on May deal.
Its still unlikely to pass.

Which would lead to Cooper-Boles coming into effect (if it passes) though it now has effectively been accepted by May though she might renege.

We now face a vote rejecting no deal on March 13th. Which should ban no deal.

This makes the all important vote effectively on March 14th which will be about the extension. The detail and amendments on this are important and will affect what happens next.

March 29th is probably no longer important as we won't be leaving then.

If we only are able to get a short extension (which the EU might refuse and insist on a longer one! But I doubt it) then the end of April begining of May is crucial. If we don't pass the legislation to take part in EU elections then May can dictate to the HoC and force her deal through as the only alternative to No Deal.

The EU elections fall on May 23-26.

The new parliament starts on the July 1st. This is now effectively the cliff edge if May has her way.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3492426-Westministenders-Abbreviation
Abbreviation thread.

MPs have only limited ways and very limited time - 4 weeks - to stop a No Deal Brexit.

Anyone who thinks its "factual" that they'll definitely stop No Deal hasn't done enough research

Pmk!

Had a little look to see how much medical insurance would cost for a family of four in the US , astounded by the figures, on average the cost is over $27,000 a year, with an employee paying $12,000 of that. That seems incredibly high ? Any Americans on here ?

Lived in the states for 3 years - it is v high. And the costs the hospitals charge for basic stuff is eye watering - but then the insurance companies get it at a hugely discounted rate . I remember seeing a statement from our insurer, just for some tests ( it stuck in my mind as it was the first time I had seen something like that)- the invoice amount was something like $1800, the amount that was discounted too was something like $250. It absolutely highlighted why you must have insurance. As the medical fraternity have inflated prices- to them give the big insurance companies the huge discounts that they want to negotiate.... but for the person on the street (without insurance)- they will be charged the inflated price, which is ruinous.
The other side of things is that as the insurance companies try to screw the medical professionals to protect their profit, those medical professionals will no longer deal with that insurance company. I became pregnant when we were living there and really struggled to find a OBGYN who accepted our insurance - did find one, but along way from where we lived - it was a complete pain to get to appointments (esp with a toddler in tow). There system is just as broken as the NHS - but I am sure people who support the tories see bright shiny hospitals - and think "amazing"..,,,, and again don't care about the people it will disenfranchise.

Frumpety, that doesn't surprise me at all. A former US colleague and close friend was able to retire early (ie she could access her pension) but she delayed it until Obamacare came in because Medicare doesn't kick in until you are official retirement age, and she couldn't afford to pay health insurance for herself. She was a well-paid single professional woman with no preexisting conditions.

Insurance IS expensive. Here in France we pay 8% of gross income in contributions to the state scheme and then top-up insurance as well (my "top-up" insurance costs the best part of €4000 a year, split between me and my employer). For us as a family that probably works out at around €15k and I think there might be some employer contributions on top of that. And the French system is much, much more efficient than the American system (from memory the French spend around 11-12% of GDP on healthcare, the US getting on for 18%).

m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ink-paper-no-deal-brexit_uk_5c792685e4b087c2f295402d?ncid=tweetlnkukhpmg00000001&guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvL2pNOGJ2WmNQNnM_YW1wPTE&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAACKeH808RxdquPlYn0WbqOp2sesJlpUEtD8FjXfcPmoCRsOgfqSBbvKt_LxaRBbRHjzMGX7RLhOrVanXLPmlvLMa1T0EXw6rnU9gTIonpgfApsyylirvnXT5FcgPhQdL4AKbvyJumTTkfI1byzBwA_GL9QQD6XZcLegwJvuLPiqn
No-Deal Brexit Could See Ink Dry Up And Paper Run Out, Printers Warn
Printing industry raises alarm over prospect of leaving the EU without an agreement.

I worked in printing for many years and have said this before. And now it's in the newspaper from the industry itself

Oh this is good

“So stockpiling paper at the moment might be a good thing to do. Most of our members who are stockpiling are [doing so] for around four weeks or so. After four weeks, we sort of run dry.”

And

“More than half of printing is done for packaging. Think of food packaging, like oven chips – that’s printing ink. That’s another whole supply chain there.

Even if we are self sufficient for food, we might not be able to package it.

And the Tory Party won't be able to leaflet us about what to do nor print ration cards.

I remember many many moons ago when I had just joined ICI being told that our plant (plastic film) was protected from power cuts/restrictions as it was used for food packaging and therefore deemed essential.

So maybe printing ink for food packaging would come into that category?

But isn't it pathetic that we are having to even consider such severe consequences of self inflicted actions

Govt will have to contact us via Mumsnet!

Other SM are available.

I bought enough paper and ink to last until the summer for both me and dd after reading about whsmiths stockpiling exercise books.

Till receipts!

At least the Fail wouldn't be able to print! Obviously still be able to publish its Twaddle online but with the printed version out of circulation it would be a positive in a world of negatives.

There system is just as broken as the NHS - but I am sure people who support the tories see bright shiny hospitals - and think "amazing"..,,,, and again don't care about the people it will disenfranchise.

What you describe doesn't sound just as broken as the NHS, it sounds even more broken than the NHS. Let's give the NHS a bit if credit, at least I didn't ever have to worry about not being able to access maternity care at my local hospital.

Thank you mrslaughan and Mistigri , it was a bit of a random post but came about because of a conversation I had with a leave voter who was telling me the NHS is broken, I work in the NHS and don't see it as broken, there is certainly room for improvement in some areas.

frumpety
My, fortunately limited experience of the NHS has been that once you are being treated, the staff have been excellent, with the exception of a consultant who obviously was missing out on his golf session, and a 'psychologist?' who was simple a rude ***. What the UK government is doing to it and the way it has been underfunded is criminal.

I had an appointment with a double glazing salesman this week. I asked him about his supply chains - he didn't think he was going to be at all affected. Then he said 'oh but something that has happened that is unrelated, is two of the three glass kilns in Europe have gone down before Christmas' so the third is picking up the slack and prices of glazing have gone up. He seemed to have entirely missed the fact that in his supply chain all his glass came from Europe!

I stocked up on paper last week, luckily.
Cautiously going to book a UK dog friendly holiday for Easter. I have ummed and ahhed about spending so close to B.day. But then I want to at least have had a nice week away before it all kicks off.

Has anyone else seen the latest propaganda from Brexit Broadcasting Coorporation? US meat is luffly honest!.

See IMO if BBC was actually being impartial it would give the facts about how many cases of salmonella infection occur in EU vs USA...

In 28 days we will have left the EU.

28 Days Later...

{Fears over chlorine-washed chicken and hormone-fed beef are "myths", according to the US ambassador to the UK.}

So the Ambassador, who would be fired within milliseconds of saying anything to the contrary says that Hormone treated and Chlorine washed meat products are great.
Remember Gummer feeding his daughter beefburger after the scare in Britain?

BBC R4 The Now show was good last night though.

Yes, I read that and was grateful for being veggie.

MPs’ outrage after Charity Commission refuses Garden Bridge investigation

https://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/news/mps-outrage-after-charity-commission-refuses-garden-bridge-investigation/10040502.article#.XHkrIMEehgM.twitter

Lib Dem leader Vince Cable accused the commission of ignoring a clear-cut ‘failure of charity governance’

which implicated some of the most high-profile figures in British politics**
< e.g. Boris >

< this story from Feb 2018 looks rather relevant 🤔 >

Downing Street over-rules MPs to install former Tory minister as charity watchdog chief

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/government-and-public-sector/civil-service/news/93019/downing-street-over-rules-mps-install

committee chair Damian Collins said: "Baroness Stowell has little more than six months of negligible charity sector experience, and a complete lack of experience of working for a regulatory body."
....
"her political past is a source of concern for the Committee and those within the charity sector", meaning she was unsuitable for the £62,500 a year role."
....
Baroness Stowell, who was leader of the Tories in the Lords until 2016, conceded she had “limited experience” of the voluntary sector.
< so why was this very unsuitable person appointed ? 😡>

the mutual back-scratching among Tories is even more shameless than usual