Brexit is starting to feel like social cleansing

[Cheekysquirrel]

I’m probably paranoid but I’m starting to feel like there’s an agenda here - surely the government can’t be that useless?
In the event of crashing out those who are already struggling will struggling more. People who are ill or disabled and can’t get access to medications (including me) could die.
Is it over the top to suggest that this is an exercise in allowing the fittest and richest to thrive? By design or by accident? I’m no longer sure.

I kind of feel it a bit rich that some leavers are regretting now that it becomes clear that leaving may affect them negatively

You were all ok with fucking over immigrants, I’m sorry but I suddenly can’t remember how to say sympathy In English

Enjoy the result of your vote, you terrible people. Think if this when your asthma meds run out

You can't get rid of them though can you. It's not democratic at all

Unless the majority agree with you, in the UK, you cannot even get rid of your own MP... we've zero say on who becomes a minister in the UK, can you vote out Chris Grayling???? or even who can become PM ..... its not democratic at all.

The Commission President is nominated by the EU states and the MEPs (which you can elect) votes on the this, both Juncker and Tusk will be out this year, the Commission has 28 members, one from each state.

I would like MarieG10 to tell me how to get rid of Rees-Mogg and Theresa May, both at the same time, please.

Why even her own Parliamentary party couldn't get rid of her as PM!

MEPs (which you can elect)

I have been asking Leavers since the Referendum if they always vote in the European Elections. So far, I have had not had one positive response, not even to say that they did one time. They usually have some, to them, fine sounding reason why they can't. I mentally file their responses as 'lazy arses who can't be bothered, but then bleat about democracy'.

Madge - a lot of leavers were happy to fuck over immigrants because they were also being fucked over themselves, sometimes more so. I think people were manipulated in the extreme. It's easy to manipulate people who have nothing, you just promise them something and tell them a pack of lies about who is to blame about their situation.

Anyway, I don't believe the poor is to blame, all the poor people I know voted remain. Most of the richer people I know voted leave, all the managers where I work voted leave, the workers voted remain. Poor inner cities voted remain. The people in affluent villages voted leave.

The poor voted leave, the rich voted remain. It's just another big lie.

that would be believable if I didn’t actually live here and hear and see some of the anti immigrant shit. 18 solid gold years of it, continually wondering just how much you all hate us - it’s fathomless really, I think. Your renewable resource. It must fall to need us and despise us so much at the same time.

when you voted to literally shoot yourselves in the face, I was surprised that you hated us more than you loved your own children - any suffering was bearable provided immigrants had it just a bit worse.

Like I said, think of these moment when your insulin and asthma meds run out.

Why would it just be poor people? If Brexit is to be as apocalyptic as Mumsnet seems to predict; homeowners will be going into negative equity all over the place, job losses/redundancies will be made across the board (including for well paid professions), the cost of living will rise for everyone, I’m not sure how they would magically be able to get hold of medications, the cost of living will rise for everyone. I voted Remain but don’t believe it will be that catastrophic btw, but not sure why everything is always seen as being geared to affect the poor whilst everyone else is immune.

I hear the anti immigrant shit too and I hate it and it's so stupid considering nearly all of us are immigrants if you go back more than a couple of generations. I've heard anti-immigrant shit from immigrants, that's how good the manipulation has been. My Irish immigrant neighbour voted for Brexit because of immigration. I work with an Indian lady who regularly spouts stuff straight out of the Daily Mail and takes about people coming over here and taking our jobs. There are plenty of immigrants who voted leave. I am blaming individuals for their racism and stupidity, but I'm blaming the people who are pulling their strings more.

Roxy - life will be worse for almost everyone, that's a given. But who will be blame for it?

Don't worry.

Prominent Brexiteer, Jim Ratcliffe, the UK's richest man, is quitting the UK to save billions.

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/sir-jim-ratcliffe-the-uks-richest-man-quits-country-to-save-billions-35x6jphxn

He'll be fine!!

*blamed.

this may not have occurred to you but those of us who are immigrants will feel more precarious in this society thank those who many many many generations back had an ancestor who came from somewhere else. It is disingenuous to pretend otherwise. Of course, if you are nonwhite, the statute of limitations on being treated as a fake Brit here on sufferance is limitless - look at all the people tweeting MP David Lammy that if he doesn’t like how things are done here he can go back where he came from.

at any rate, yes, most people here will be in the shit post brexit. It will gratify me immensely to know that amongst those suffering hardest will be those who brought this on us all because they wish immigrants like me nothing but ill.

Hey, gee, whaddaya know- hating my neighbours and delighting in their misfortune? guess I have assimilated after all!

I don't wish misfortune on anyone. Guess I should leave.

Jim Ratcliffe. Just another slimy rat leaving a sinking ship.

I think some immigrants are in a better positions than others because you may have the option to leave and go and live somewhere else if things get really bad. Whereas I am trapped here. I can't go and live somewhere else, much as I would like to.

m.spiegel.de/international/europe/how-brexit-distracted-the-uk-from-its-real-problems-a-1249990.html

Given that 90% of the population is propped up by government spending I think YABU. If the government wanted social cleansing all they would need to do is cut benefits and services. The majority is Britain is very vulnerable to their government, it really doesn’t need to orchestrate a no deal brexit.

Gosh Namechanger22 what a shame - I’ve heard nothing else these past 18 years apart from how piss easy it is to immigrate, really, give it a whirl and ride the gravy train.

18 fucking years of my life here, building a home, raising a family, contributing, contributing and this is what you get - oh well at least you can leave. Nice

The government have been cutting benefits. But it is reported on and there are middle class people with enough time on their hands to kick up a fuss. This makes it more difficult for them to cut some more.

Create a situation where the middle class are panicking about paying their mortgages or rent, are at risk of losing their jobs, worrying about meds and there's less of a voice.

The narrative shifts in the press to redundancies, house prices etc;

The government announces Britain will go bust if things aren't cut. Austerity mark two.

They bank on the fact that people on benefits are too busy trying to survive to protest. Take away the pressure from the press and you have no accountability.

Let's face it the government completely dismissed the un report on poverty. They're shameless. They would cut more if they thought they could get away with it.

If the government wanted social cleansing all they would need to do is cut benefits and services

Do you live abroad?

The govt via its benefits cap have already "cleansed" large parts of London.
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/28/vast-social-cleansing-pushes-tens-of-thousands-of-families-out-of-london

Benefit cuts are very popular with voters inc those claiming working benefits, its the same old story "the worthy poor"

Brexit, whether by design or accident, gives the Tories more excuses to carry out further cuts & restrictions.

If you vote Tory you are complicit in this and of course are responsible for brexit itself.

To those to say it's not catastrophic

Look at what was life like 10 years ago

• were there many homeless people in the streets?
• were there many patients being looked after in corridors?
• what was benefit sanctions are like?
• were there many nursing and doctors vacancies in the NHS?
• was your local cottage hospital/ community services under Virgin Care?

It's like living with an abusive partner that treats you like shit day by day that you start putting up with it.

Like killing a frog in a slowly boiling water.

were there many homeless people in the streets?

As someone who worked in the field. No. We were actually referred to as being good at reducing homelessness. We led the world.

Life expectancy has declined in some areas in the last ten years. But only some. These are areas with high amounts of social problems and dependency on the state which have been hit hardest by austerity. Austerity has been a deliberate policy by the government which has treated some inhumanely and there are cases of individuals being told they are fit to work who very clearly are not.

There are arguments about social cleansing of London and moving those deemed homeless to places outside the capital.

Brexit isn't the cause of modern social cleansing. It's certainly a sympton of what was already going on. And yes there are Tory MPs who more or less believe in social darwinism. They would love to bring back workhouses. We already are practising transportation (our immigration policy towards Windrush and children of Windrush who have criminal records contain more than an echo of it).

I don't think it's an exaggeration. Its well progressed and normalised so we don't see (or want to see) a lot of what is already happening.

ToothBrush I've been predicting the return of workhouses for about 5 years now. Won't be long.

They won't CALL them that of course. No, they'll be called something like "Regeneration Housing" or "Alternative Accommodation Centres"
But they'll be there.

The residents will receive a "wage" which will really be their benefits...they will be made to work for these "wages" too. And they'll get a room in return and shared facilities.

Their children will have to live with the shadow of their accommodation and it will affect their future choices and opportunities.