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Brexit is starting to feel like social cleansing

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Cheekysquirrel · 16/02/2019 17:35

I’m probably paranoid but I’m starting to feel like there’s an agenda here - surely the government can’t be that useless?
In the event of crashing out those who are already struggling will struggling more. People who are ill or disabled and can’t get access to medications (including me) could die.
Is it over the top to suggest that this is an exercise in allowing the fittest and richest to thrive? By design or by accident? I’m no longer sure.

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AnneLovesGilbert · 16/02/2019 17:45

It is a bit, yes.

PooFlower · 16/02/2019 17:47

I don't know if I would go that far, however; I do think there are ulterior motives to brexit that the general public are unaware of. Probably on both sides.
Why would they let the public decide something that could potentially destroy the economy? Something that most of us were not qualified to decide.
The information given at the time was woefully inadequate. And then there was the blatant lies of the leave campaign. Add to that the weak campaign of the remain side. I am very suspicious.
Why has nobody been held to account for this?
I vote to leave by the way. I am not thick or racist. I just didn't like the direction that the E.U was going in. The army, the bureaucracy the thought of a European super state.
I spent weeks reading researching and didn't fully decide wether to vote to stay or leave until I was in the booth.
The people were not qualified to make such an important decision and I think the government knew this.

Mrskeats · 16/02/2019 17:49

It’s only an exaggerated view of what Tories think so you’re not too far off the mark.

Littlespaces · 16/02/2019 18:05

The information given at the time was woefully inadequate.

Yep. Crazy situation.

OrangeSamphire · 16/02/2019 18:09

Well I didn’t think this. Until I saw Jacob Rees Moggies coolly discussing the use of concentration camps in the Boer War and dismissing the human lives lost as ‘the same death rate as in Glasgow’. And yet the human suffering in those camps was unspeakable.

So now, I don’t know. And I’m sitting here nursing my sick disabled son who relies on Epilim and antibiotics to keep him alive and hoping it will all be ok.

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Cheekysquirrel · 16/02/2019 18:31

If we know no deal will be detrimental on a huge scale then THEY clearly know it too. So why are we going full steam towards this outcome? Why are there no clear plans in place?

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jasjas1973 · 16/02/2019 20:28

Spot on OP - Brexit will allow the Tories to punish the poor/disabled still further, they will, in time seek the return of the Workhouse and the full privatisation of the NHS, the final socialist part of the national jigsaw that so far, they ve been unable to either sell off or destroy.

Sir Jacob Rees Mogg - Minister of State in charge of signing the G4S contract to build the UKs first Poor House (it'll be called something more palatable) for a 100 years, will be coming to your home town v soon.

xebobfromUS · 17/02/2019 00:50

There was an interesting article I read some time ago.

It stated that before the arrival of what we regard as modern medicine most people didn't live past the age of 40 and this was true for most of human history.

This was why elders in a society were so valued, there were relatively few of them and they had seen more of life than most people, hence their opinions about things carried a good bit more weight.

It's also why women tried to have about as many kids as they could because a significant number of them wouldn't make it past childhood.

So the grim reality for most of human history ( if you were lucky )was that you lived about long enough to get married, produce babies, raise them, and then when they were old enough to get married and produce babies of their own, it was basically time for you to die.

I don't think it would be deliberate, but no deal certainly has the possibility and perhaps even probability of a certain amount of population decimation due to a shortage of medicines.

Certainly people in general becoming poorer might also prevent them from being able to afford life-saving operations.

A country of our modern era is playing with fire if it allows its medical capacity to become greatly diminished. The UK's new " hostile environment " towards foreigners apparently of all stripes isn't going to help at all if there is a rapid decrease in the population at large.

I hope all the leavers past 40 realize that it is they who will most likely represent this thinning.

nuttynutjob · 17/02/2019 04:38

Eugenics... Improving the "stock" / survival of the fittest.

Happened in the past and Singapore had policies that aimed at this

www.straitstimes.com/singapore/did-mr-lee-kuan-yew-create-a-singapore-in-his-own-image

Benefits, NHS, safety nets are liberal policies that improved the lives of people especially those who are in need. The NHS have saved and improved the lives of people who would have died if they lived in à fee paying healthcare system.

This Brexit is a Tory shitshow and Tories are guilty of eugenics (even before Brexit).

But hey ho, people still vote for them.

WhoWants2Know · 17/02/2019 05:32

There are several articles that focus on how the DWP has increased mortality rates over the past decade through the crap administration of PIP and ESA. Disabled people are already dying much earlier than they should be in a developed country.

I think UC is just the next step to start thinning out the poor people too.

Decormad38 · 17/02/2019 06:14

Starting to? It’s always felt like that to me! I can’t believe some people are just realising this now!

MarieG10 · 17/02/2019 06:47

I'm was a remainder but I've always disliked having an unelected "Govt" in Brussels run so many parts of our lives. Some of what they have done is successful for exactly that reason in which there is no democratic accountability and they get away with it as they don't have to answer to voters.

In reality, leaving without a deal isn't the project fear being propagated. Only this morning the latest plans have been published that OMG...planes will still be flying and we can all continue to drive. It seems forgotten that 90% of Irish trade transits through the U.K. as well as air travel!!

BiscuitDrama · 17/02/2019 06:53

What do you mean by unelected, Marie ? We vote for MEPs.

MarieG10 · 17/02/2019 07:02

BuiscuitDrama. Have you seen what the power of MEPs is? The real power lies with the European Commission. The European Parliament is a exercise in highly paid junkets. If you want the evidence, wait until May when a load of right wingers/ nationalists get elected. How much will that inhibit the commission? It may be inconvenient but it won't be a real blocker

Juells · 17/02/2019 07:50

MarieG10
The army, the bureaucracy the thought of a European super state.

Meanwhile Gavin Williamson has stars in his eyes thinking about the New British Empire ruling the waves www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/16/gavin-williamson-china-warship-threat-philip-hammond

It seems forgotten that 90% of Irish trade transits through the U.K. as well as air travel!!

I don't understand the point you're making. Won't goods to and from Ireland be going by ferry from now on, avoiding crossing Britain?

Moussemoose · 17/02/2019 08:48

@MarieG10

no democratic accountability

Yes there is!

We have been over this so many times on so many threads. Repeatedly explaining the structures of the EU.

Have you been in a hole in the ground? How can you not know the EU parliament is elected and the Council of Ministers is made up of elected politicians?

There absolutely is democratic accountability.

How with time slipping away can you not know these very basic facts?

1tisILeClerc · 17/02/2019 08:53

Ignore the 'underbridge dweller'.

Qcng · 17/02/2019 08:53

You can't get rid of them though can you. It's not democratic at all.

Meandmetoo · 17/02/2019 08:55

I'm starting to worry that stockpiling is going to leave lots of people who can't afford to do this very stuck.

So yes, I agree.

HarryPlotter · 17/02/2019 08:56

European super state

What would be so awful about this? It's not like your opinion counts in Britain. Judging by the feeling of helplessness heading towards March 29th and the individuals lack of control over their future.

jasjas1973 · 17/02/2019 08:57

MarieG10 Lets be honest here, with your views on the EU, it's hardly likely you voted to Remain is it ? lol!

Aside - the EU do not run so much our lives, the UK Govt does and a fine job they've done of it - NHS, Roads, Housing, Education/Training, Social care... all been managed soooooooo well under the sole control of the UK !!!!....Not!

Like all leavers, you blame the EU for UK problems but it will very soon become apparent to you, that brexit will allow the govt to behave even worse towards its less well off citizens.

Moussemoose · 17/02/2019 08:58

You can't get rid of them though can you

Yes - you get rid of them in elections.

Unless you mean the Commission which is the equivalent of the Civil service.

How do you get rid of the civil service in n the U.K. ? You can't because they are civil servants same with the EU.

Peregrina · 17/02/2019 09:00

MarieG10 has posted on the wrong thread. (But then, Leaver trolls aren't the brightest!)

I would be more than happy if the EU did interfere with our health service and insisted that we had something as well funded as the French or German systems. Instead we get the Tories privatising as fast as they can, so that we end up with an expensive American system.

NameChanger22 · 17/02/2019 09:01

OP - I've thought that all along, since before the referendum. The government are not useless, they know exactly what they are doing. I do not know why so many people were so trusting of our government.

Brexit has been designed to make the middle classes hold the poor responsible for everyone's finances and lifestyle taking a nosedive. But it was always going to nosedive, we are trillions of pounds in debt, that hasn't gone away. This was a way to point the finger at the most convenient scapegoat, in order to scrap benefits and possibly the NHS as we know it. I voted remain, I knew what they were up to and Brexit is going to make everything ten times worse.