Westminstenders: Oh Look is that a fire in the Italian Capital?

[RedToothBrush]

Next stop: 27th Feb.

Where we will apparently have Cooper-Boles II which apparently will pass but still assumes that
a) the EU will grant us an extension despite our fuckwittery
b) that it will prevent accidental no deal, which it doesn't
c) glosses over the minor point that the only way to 100% prevent no deal is to say you'll revoke if everything else fails

Meanwhile in reality we leave in law on 29th March, despite the rest of the law having zero chance of being ready in time. Withdrawal Agreement and No Deal alike.

All that is actually happening is the Tories and Labour fighting amongst themselves. Corbyn is still pretending that Brexit isn't really that important and hoping it will just go away. May is still trying to compromise with the ERG - whom if you paying attention 18 months ago were obviously were never going to compromise on anything - cos they are fuckwitted swivel eyed loons.

Meanwhile the entire country has no other alternative but to assume no deal and act accordingly.

A deal on the 21st March (as is the planned date of the Meaningful Vote) is simply too late for planners. For them no deal has already happened even if it does never come to pass.

The strategy of brinkmanship has destroyed us. We just don't know it yet.

A Split in the Tory and Labour parties may well make matters even worse going forward with further political polarisation.

Where next for Brexit?

Who knows and does it even matter now? The damage is irreversible and will take at least a generation to heal wounds. Economically it may never be recoverable.

FUKD.

They set out their stall on 24th June 2016 and it has not changed since.

Watching from the outside, I can't understand how/why British politicians keep on claiming that the EU will cave at the last minute. They won't. Neither will Ireland.

There won't be an extension, because it would be seen as just more waffling- and fighting-time. EU countries that trade with Britain have accepted the probability of No Deal months ago, and have all been preparing like crazy for it. Governments have been pouring money into getting businesses ready for a new reality. The only people not preparing seem to be the British :(

The march in March is on my daughter's birthday and we've already booked rather expensive plans for the day.

Not fair! I want to go marching.

American Meat Lobbyists List Demands For Post-Brexit UK-US Trade Deal

After No Deal, best to go vegetarian if you can't access the subsidised HoC restaurants ...

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/watch-us-meat-lobbyists-list-demands-of-post-brexit-trade-dealukk_5c62fc53e4b0a8731aeaa525?

Lobbyists for the American meat industry have urged the US government
to demand Britain drop antibiotics restrictions and the ban on ractopamine-fed pork
as part of any post-Brexit trade deal.

Speaking at an evidence session in front of the powerful US Trade Policy Committee in Washington last month,
the lobbyists also warned forcing the UK to accept chlorine-bleached chicken would require “hard negotiating”.

Craig Thorn, of America’s National Pork Producers Council, said
Britain should drop its standards and stop testing pork for the parasitic worm trichinae.

23rd March?

Right.

Juells The EU won't blink,but they need more time too to get ready for No Deal;
hence many e.g. in Brussels & Germany are saying the EU should agree to a short extension until say 1 June if the Uk requests, even if the govt & HoC still have no plan

However, May would be hammered by the ERG is she delayed Brexit

and also some other EU voices sound like they just want an end to this
e.g.

France's Europe Minister Nathalie Loiseau:

'I'm telling our British friends it's time to decide whether to leave on friendly terms or abruptly.
It's up to them.

What we're saying is hurry up.'

Lonely I’ll go with whatever you suggest, will prob be minus family as they have work/other commitments plus DGD didn’t cope well with the crowds last time. It was so busy last time I’ll get there nice and early!

For those of you who have marched before....what time should we get there?
Best by bus or train?
(I live in a stupid place far from London...)

Sorry meant to say will PM you lonely

67 I travel by train/tube, 2 hrs train so if I were travelling on the day I’d try to get a train about 8:00 am. Getting to London about 10 gives time to have a coffee/snack and then find your way to wherever. As it is, I come down the night before and stay with family, which means a more relaxed Sat morning, plus a catch up with family as a bonus.

The Irish Borderr@BorderIrish*

Brexit is a never-ending surrealist geography lesson in which the homework has never been done
.....
Rory Carroll**@rorycarroll72

Belfast not same as Finchley, Bertie Ahern tells Brexit committee

I'm hoping for regional marches as I'll only be two weeks post-shoulder surgery on 23 March so definitely won't be travelling quite so far as London at that point (I may have made it to the shops by then!).

I’ve gone to all except the very first march. Always on a coach with our local group as we are over 100 miles from London. Have a look for your local group.

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I'm wondering if people would mind also chatting about the march on this thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3510056-Put-it-to-the-People-March-23rd-March

so that hints and tips don't get lost on these very fast moving westminstenders threads.

I'm actually hoping I may be delusional that the Tories will finally start to take notice of the opinion polls now. Losing ground - and to Labour - will not be something they want to do. So far, as they have maintained a relatively OK margin, they probably felt vindicated in their approach. However, there's really no vindication in the recent figures. If Labour go ahead of them, they'll have to really consider what's going on with the polls.

It would probably be better if it was LDs - as a solid remain party - to be gaining ground, but any fall back isn't going to be welcomed.

Sadly I think the march in March is utterly pointless. Revoking A50 would take a vote in parliament (as it did to trigger it in the first place), extending will take a vote in parliament AND the EU27 agreeing - by the time of the march there physically won't be time to do anything in time. The EU27 aren't going to grant an extension for the purpose of a people's vote because that will take months/years and isn't guaranteed to settle the question.

I think we're perilously close to being past the 11th hour/last minute mark now, if not actually past it already given how much actual legislation would need to be drafted and passed by parliament. Even if the WA passes a meaningful vote there's still a job of creating the Withdrawal Agreement Implementation Act and getting that voted through parliament.

I don't think it's in TM's gift to just revoke A50/ask for extension, I think she needs parliamentary approval for either and it's hard to see her getting a majority to agree that bears shit in the woods, never mind anything else.

A piece of theatre is being played out as the clock runs down and a march-in-March just represents audience participation in the act.

It’s never pointless to express your point of view in the most emphatic way, especially in a situation as critical and potentially catastrophic as this.

But the threat of the march will pressure the government. Knowing that nearly a million people will be coming to London and they will be standing with their metaphorical pants round their ankles will make them think about the message that will give out.

It's like strike action you don't want to do it but the potential for it puts pressure on the employer.

especially in a situation as critical and potentially catastrophic as this yes but the platform of put-it-to-the-people is a waste of time, there's no way that can help. Stable. Door.

Now a 'politicians are a shower of shits and we're pissed of that from DC onwards they've consistently put party before country ' march - I'll be right there with my banner!

We can pressure the government all we like at that stage moose but it'll be too late. A March would need to happen NOW.

I can't see any point in marching either sadly. Absolute MILLIONS voted against this in the referendum, almost half the voting population, and they do not give a shit.

Some rich people are behind this to get richer. It's not going to be stopped the week before.

All we can do now is try to look after ourselves in the next few years as the shockwaves hit.

Am in a rotten mood today.

To actually make the government take any notice now it will have to be a massive effort. A general strike perhaps or work to rule. It would need to be done intelligently, to cause maximum discomfort for MPs but as little as possible on the general populace. Rioting or general violence would simply bring the Police/Army in and would be correctly regarded as criminal acts.
Ordinary walk out type strikes are usually self defeating unless those striking really have a thorough stranglehold on those they are striking against.

The only hope - and it's up there with praying and alien intervention - is a hammer-blow of firms going under with massive job losses and people losing money in vast amounts, given that the compensation schemes won't be paying out (if at all) after Brexit. It would need to be something like 5 a day - too many for JRM and chums to spout bullshit about on the news.

That might lead to a mass breaking of NDSa.

But even then, with all of that, it's still no-deal. We return to the central theme that parliament is powerless now.