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Westminstenders: Oh Look is that a fire in the Italian Capital?

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RedToothBrush · 14/02/2019 21:20

Next stop: 27th Feb.

Where we will apparently have Cooper-Boles II which apparently will pass but still assumes that
a) the EU will grant us an extension despite our fuckwittery
b) that it will prevent accidental no deal, which it doesn't
c) glosses over the minor point that the only way to 100% prevent no deal is to say you'll revoke if everything else fails

Meanwhile in reality we leave in law on 29th March, despite the rest of the law having zero chance of being ready in time. Withdrawal Agreement and No Deal alike.

All that is actually happening is the Tories and Labour fighting amongst themselves. Corbyn is still pretending that Brexit isn't really that important and hoping it will just go away. May is still trying to compromise with the ERG - whom if you paying attention 18 months ago were obviously were never going to compromise on anything - cos they are fuckwitted swivel eyed loons.

Meanwhile the entire country has no other alternative but to assume no deal and act accordingly.

A deal on the 21st March (as is the planned date of the Meaningful Vote) is simply too late for planners. For them no deal has already happened even if it does never come to pass.

The strategy of brinkmanship has destroyed us. We just don't know it yet.

A Split in the Tory and Labour parties may well make matters even worse going forward with further political polarisation.

Where next for Brexit?

Who knows and does it even matter now? The damage is irreversible and will take at least a generation to heal wounds. Economically it may never be recoverable.

FUKD.

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DGRossetti · 15/02/2019 14:45

....how soon after Brexit do we think that the ERG will transfer their efforts to leaving the nasty, interfering Council of Europe?

I'd lay money they've already started - certainly the ongoing narrative. If you wanted a tinfoil hat grade conspiracy, the ongoing furore about the ISIS teenager could have been tailor made to provoke a "Human Rights" idiocy story.

Bearing in mind Theresa May has never had time for the ECHR anyway. She won't need much persuading to get on board with that.

DGRossetti · 15/02/2019 14:46

That's the thing with May's strategy of appeasing the ERG pretty. People who get what they want by lies, bullying and threats don't then go all reasonable and sidle off back to whatever hole they crawled out of just because they won. They will see this as a licence to demand more and more. Why stop with the EU? After all there's always someone else to blame for the lack of milk and honey.

Dane-geld and Dane ...

MissMalice · 15/02/2019 15:09

PMK

TalkinPeece · 15/02/2019 15:10

Its Friday
so lets all sing along ......

borntobequiet · 15/02/2019 15:30

Good news for those of us with the foresight to have cats. Cat in pic looks very like mine!
www.thedailymash.co.uk/animals/cats-to-be-main-food-providers-post-brexit-20190215182538

SusanWalker · 15/02/2019 15:33

That jacket is beautiful bigly.

I used to sew, but my sewing machine (that I inherited from my mum) broke down and I need to replace it.

I do find knitting and crochet better at the moment as it's easier to put down and pick up again when you're busy.

Agree that nothing will ever be good enough for the ERG. I wouldn't trust them to hold my pint in the bar (to borrow a phrase from Jess Phillips). TM might talk about maintaining workers rights and safety standards, but they will never vote for that, or they will, but then spend the next ten years bullying the next government into scrapping them.

Missbel · 15/02/2019 15:53

Thanks DGR - I'll have to try it! I'm an incurable optimist so keep thinking someone will pull the plug on this nightmare, but I think your way might be better.

If only my DD wasn't worried about whether she should/ how to stockpile the medication she needs for a "life-changing" immune system disease.

Peregrina · 15/02/2019 15:56

Apparently TM wasn't on the chamber last night after the vote went against her because she was furious.

Fine, I think, for her to be furious about the Tory MPs who didn't vote for her. They are supposed to be on the same side. Why on earth doesn't she expel the lot and try to govern with a super minority government? She'd have a bit of help from Labour MPs there. Grin

DGRossetti · 15/02/2019 16:07

Why on earth doesn't she expel the lot and try to govern with a super minority government?

Because then she might end up with a deal by accident. This way, as long as she keeps ploughing (plowing for US readers) the same furrow then no deal is inevitable.

We've all been hoodwinked. In fact the few people who haven't are the shouty Leavers going way back when who were clamouring for no deal and couldn't see why there should be a delay. The pantomime over A50 was almost balletic in it's scope. It managed to dupe Brexiteers (although a shiny crisp packet would have done that) as well as Remainers. The only important thing about that faux clash was that it was established that A50 has been triggered and can't be untriggered without a set of circumstances that the following two years have been exquisitely devoted to prevent happening.

Forget "What will it take to get the WA to pass". Instead ask "Has what just happened lowered the chance of no deal". As soon as you do, you'll be woke.

BiglyBadgers · 15/02/2019 16:08

Thank you Susan Smile

BiglyBadgers · 15/02/2019 16:13

Trumps declared a national emergency so he can build his wall. Shit on a stick, nothing shocks me anymore.

How long before May decides to do the same?

OhYouBadBadKitten · 15/02/2019 16:16

Are there any really good French speakers, familiar with french government departments on here who I can pm please?

DarlingNikita · 15/02/2019 16:16

Trumps declared a national emergency so he can build his wall.

It's like the great lost Joseph Heller novel.

BiglyBadgers · 15/02/2019 16:18

Here is the text from the guardian live feed. I know this isn't strictly brexit related but we've talked on here before about government using emergency powers and it seems the US is where we're looking these days for governing ideas. If the US has done it than the UK doing the same doesn't seem so out there. I have no doubt that the Trump fans in politics in the UK are watching with interest to see how it goes down.

Trump: "I am going to declare a national emergency"
Donald Trump has declared a national emergency on the US-Mexican border in order to get money to build his promised border wall.

Trump made the announcement on Thursday morning in the Rose Garden at the White House.

“I am going to declare a national emergency,” Trump said.

Trump repeated a number of lies in justifying the need for the wall. The president said, wrongly, that drugs enter the US through areas where there is no border wall. Trump said most drugs do not go through legal points of entry.

“You can’t take human traffic, women and girls through legal points of entry,” Trump said.

“They [border agents] open the door, they look.”

Trump added – again, this is wrong – “They go through areas where they have no wall.”

He’ll use the declaration to spend taxpayer money on the wall without Congressional approval. He had demanded $5.7bn for the wall, which Congress refused to approve.

The measure, which critics call unconstitutional, is expected to face legal challenges. Several Republicans have also called it a bad idea.

lonelyplanetmum · 15/02/2019 16:18

How long before May decides to do the same?

The gov have already but the emergency powers in place!

1tisILeClerc · 15/02/2019 16:24

OhYouBadBadKitten
Sounds an interesting request.
There are a couple of posters in France who (I am presuming) speak French fluently.

BiglyBadgers · 15/02/2019 16:27

The gov have already but the emergency powers in place!

True, but they haven't actually come out and said "we're in an emergency and I'm now going to run the country dictator style". All the pieces are in place for May to do this though and I can't help feeling that the trump move is significant in upping the chances of this happening much more openly and quickly than it might have done otherwise.

Call me tinfoil hat lady if you like but...

OhYouBadBadKitten · 15/02/2019 16:40

I'm trying to remember who they are LeClerc (Misti? and ....?)

1tisILeClerc · 15/02/2019 17:01

Missclimpson (sorry spelling is wrong)
Although I am in France I fail on the 'ability to speak French' front, although I am starting to learn. Life is so much more fun when you have no idea what people are on about!

OhYouBadBadKitten · 15/02/2019 17:11

Thanks!

Littlespaces · 15/02/2019 17:12

Thanks for the info for my family.

This is pretty horrifying. So much shady stuff went on around that first so called advisory referendum.

www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-06-25/brexit-big-short-how-pollsters-helped-hedge-funds-beat-the-crash

Quietrebel · 15/02/2019 17:13

I speak French kitten but I'm not sure about the workings of french bureaucracy (beyond quite generic stuff) so might not be able to point you in the right direction. Pure translation would fine though.

DGRossetti · 15/02/2019 17:18

Richard Nixon (from the 70s) hated black people. And people who were against him. Really hated. Arguably most of his attention as president was taken up with finding ways to oppress these people that were not only tolerable to Americans, but that Americans would join in with.

edition.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-richard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie/index.html

"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people," former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman told Harper's writer Dan Baum for the April cover story published Tuesday.

"You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

(contd)

Mistigri · 15/02/2019 17:32

Badkitten I can speak and write French and navigate the service.public website (which contains 99% of what anyone needs to know about French public services) but can't claim any special knowledge of French govt departments I'm afraid.

cherin · 15/02/2019 17:40

I met a local councillor at an event today, who told me he’s starting to stockpile (not sure if he was serious or joking), and also that...at the early phases of negotiation the EU were so surprised by the amount of incompetence and ignorance of their British counterparts that they thought it was a decoy! That for a while wondered what kind of clever trick it was, sending those useless people...until it dawned that it wasn’t on purpose. Or maybe yes, as you said, it was on purpose because they never actually meant to negotiate? But then gosh, I feel not furious, I feel...betrayed? Ashamed? A crime victim?

Anyway
Full disclosure: I have two sewing machines, a singer 1929 hand crank and a modern electric one. But my stash of yarn, knitting needles and crochet hooks beat the stash of yarn big time. Highly therapeutic.
Honestly: I think we all have enough clothing to last a lifetime and some. Shoes maybe not so much (know any cobbler?)

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