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Westminstenders: Competitive Stupidity

999 replies

RedToothBrush · 10/02/2019 16:00

A week of wondering which MP is going to be the most dumb.

There is stiff competition between parties and remain / leave.

Expect incredible bids of ignorance and incompetence to curl your toes, with a bit of constitutional craziness thrown in for good measure.

Valentine's Day beckons...

... And so does the No Deal Divorce.

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StepLadders007 · 12/02/2019 15:47

You're probably right about that. Though if Tommy Robinson keeps shuffling his feet further and further under the table with UKIP I can see some of them jumping ship for another party

Actually, I don't think you're right on that one. UKIP memebership has gone mental over the last few months.

Mainly due to Youtubers like "Sargon of Akkad" and the like publicly joining UKIP.

That said, any form of UKIP water will be pretty much dead in the water and ineffective.

Destiel · 12/02/2019 15:47

Step.

Get over it.

You won.

Stop being so cross and frothy.

StepLadders007 · 12/02/2019 15:49

Grooming gangs operate all over the UK and these gangs are committing crimes, it is the Police's job to investigate crime, not councils

A lot of the victims were in the councils care.

BiglyBadgers · 12/02/2019 15:50

Actually, I don't think you're right on that one. UKIP memebership has gone mental over the last few months.

Mainly due to Youtubers like "Sargon of Akkad" and the like publicly joining UKIP.

I bow to your superior knowledge having never heard of "Sargon of Akkad". Quite a name they've got there though.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 12/02/2019 15:51

Ofqual have added an extra day to their exam season this year. Just in case apparently..
ofqual.blog.gov.uk/2019/01/25/be-prepared-gcse-and-a-level-exam-contingency-day-2019/

StepLadders007 · 12/02/2019 15:53

I bow to your superior knowledge having never heard of "Sargon of Akkad". Quite a name they've got there though

He's a very eloquent libertarian with a large following. Quite an interesting chap if you get 5 minutes.

Hazards · 12/02/2019 15:55

step are you shaking your head to try and make the aspiration go away? Why are you so afraid to be seen as aspirational? Is it because it has connotations of being a social climber? Is that bad for you and if so whhhhy?

SusanWalker · 12/02/2019 15:56

I don't think the victims being ignored was because of political correctness. I think it was just what the authorities did if the victim in question was not middle class. Look at Jimmy Saville and all the children abused in children's homes for years.

It's easy to forget that the view that a rape victim was asking for it is a very recent one, and that that misconception still persists in many people's minds. I remember the arguments about it being appropriate to ask a woman about previous sexual encounters, and to show the jury what they were wearing, in a rape trial. It was not that long ago.

StepLadders007 · 12/02/2019 15:58

step are you shaking your head to try and make the aspiration go away? Why are you so afraid to be seen as aspirational? Is it because it has connotations of being a social climber? Is that bad for you and if so whhhhy

You're a sad little person and you have my pity.

Hazards · 12/02/2019 16:00

step do you like to think of me as a sad little person because that makes you feel bigger? Is that a habit for you looking down at people? I thought it was the remainers who are meant to be elitist. ..

TheElementsSong · 12/02/2019 16:01

All these squirrels (hopefully, native red squirrels) being scattered around the thread Grin and yet no link to the 500-page Brexit White Paper with All the Answers.

StepLadders007 · 12/02/2019 16:02

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DGRossetti · 12/02/2019 16:04

I'd expect a librarian to be eloquent.

Destiel · 12/02/2019 16:09

Link to the 500 page Brexit paper?

Nope.

Thought not.

lonelyplanetmum · 12/02/2019 16:12

Why has height and happiness come into the thread?

I'm 5 ft 7 if that helps?

Destiel · 12/02/2019 16:12

I'm bloody delerious but only 5' 4"

Hazards · 12/02/2019 16:14

step do you see how your name calling to me got deleted and yet your comments re gangs hasn't been because you used polite turn of phrase? Yet the essence of what you said is truly offensive in the latter and also untrue. Btw I didn't report the name calling.

I'm glad repeating yourself is your latest aspiration.

Hazards · 12/02/2019 16:15

Grin I'm 5'11....

lonelyplanetmum · 12/02/2019 16:15

I would be happier if it wasn't for the subject in hand.

Have we analysed the latest from the ONS- from the FT:

"For more than two years, Brexit has dominated British politics, but has often been quite hard to spot in the economic data. That came to an end on Monday.

With four consecutive quarters of declining business investment, 2018 recording the lowest annual growth rate of the economy since the financial crisis of 2009 and a slump in output last December of 0.4 per cent, the effects of Brexit were stamped all over the national accounts data published by the Office for National Statistics.

Economists have been calculating the Brexit effect on the economy for more than a year and most agree that it has cost Britain between 1.5 per cent and 2.5 per cent of gross domestic product.

The lower figure comes from a comparison of growth since the 2016 EU referendum and previous forecasts based on a Remain victory. The higher figure arises from a comparison of Britain’s economic performance and other comparable countries that in the past have given similar figures.

The Resolution Foundation on Monday estimated that higher inflation and lower growth since 2016 had led real household incomes to be on average £1,500, or 4.1 per cent, lower than they would have been had Britain voted to stay in the EU.

But rigorous as these assessments are, sacrificed growth feels different from a drop in incomes, employment or GDP and none of these have yet happened. But the national accounts indicated that a recession is becoming much more likely.

JPMorgan calculated that unless it stages a recovery, the economy is on course for a contraction of 0.2 per cent in the first quarter of the year and highlighted this as the “downside risk” to its first quarter forecast of 0.2 per cent growth.

The Bank of England last week estimated a one in four chance of a recession in the first half of 2019 and that was without knowledge of the latest data, which were significantly worse than expected.

Economists on Monday admitted being surprised by the weakness in the UK economy, which performed only better than Italy among leading economies in 2018, and began to revise down their forecasts for the year.

Philip Hammond, the chancellor, put a brave face on the figures, pointing out that at least the economy was still growing. “The UK’s economy continues to grow and remains fundamentally strong. Growth of 1.4 per cent in 2018 means the UK has grown every year for the past nine years and the Office for Budget Responsibility expects it to continue growing in every year of the forecast,” he said, referring to the outlook that runs until 2023.

Within government, he and Greg Clark, the business secretary, are making a different argument, blaming Brexit uncertainty for the deteriorating economy. He called last week for clarity “in the next few days” because “the last minute for important exporters is fast approaching”.

The urgency of the matter for certain sectors was demonstrated in the detail of the 2018 figures. An expected drop in automotive sector output was matched by a surprise 3.9 per cent decline in output in the aviation sector, only the second drop for the sector since the recession of 2008.

Paul Everitt, chief executive of ADS, the aerospace, defence and security industry body, said: “The real impact of Brexit uncertainty is now becoming all too clear — falling UK aerospace production, despite increasing global demand and a highly supportive national industrial strategy”.

Business services held up in the final quarter of the year, but consumer-oriented services such as hotels, shops and restaurants expanded only 0.3 per cent compared with 1 per cent in the previous three months quarter on quarter.

Another of the concerning features of the data were the decline in exports, which were 0.9 per cent lower than a year earlier, while imports were 1.7 per cent higher, showing that despite sterling’s weakness since the Leave vote, businesses have not used additional competitiveness to increase investment, capacity and exports.

Economists said it was again most likely to be a Brexit effect that was hindering companies from making the investments needed to export when the trading environment was so uncertain, but the global trade slowdown was also undermining growth in companies selling abroad.

Suren Thiru, head of economics at the British Chambers of Commerce, said: “The widening in the UK’s trade deficit is further evidence that slowing global growth and continued uncertainty over Brexit are making trading conditions for UK exporters more challenging”.

With challenging economic times ahead, financial markets again marked down the probability of the Bank of England raising interest rates this year. In trading on interest rate futures markets, investors now think there is only a 35 per cent chance of any interest rate rise this year, down from 45 per cent as recently as last Thursday.

Instead, markets are now anticipating what the chancellor will do in his spring statement on March 13. He has so far insisted that this will not be a “Budget” or a significant “fiscal event”, but just an update of the OBR’s forecasts for the economy and the public finances.

He has, however, kept open the prospect of injecting a stimulus to the economy if the economic situation warrants it. The fallout of the Brexit uncertainty could be eased with the government further loosening the purse strings and with much more data like that released on Monday a more active statement in mid-March will become ever more likely."

BlueEyeshadow · 12/02/2019 16:15

I keep finding myself thinking about Jasper Fforde's National Stupidity Surplus these days. He also predicted something dreadful happening in the summer of 2016...

“The dangerously high level of stupidity surplus was once again the lead story in The Owl that morning. The reason for the crisis was clear: Prime Minister Redmond van de Poste and his ruling Commonsense Party had been discharging their duties with a reckless degree of responsibility that bordered on inspired sagacity. Instead of drifting from one crisis to the next and appeasing the nation with a steady stream of knee-jerk legislation and headline-grabbing but arguably pointless initiatives, they had been resolutely building a raft of considered long-term plans that concentrated on unity, fairness and tolerance. It was a state of affairs deplored by Mr. Alfredo Traficcone, leader of the opposition Prevailing Wind Party, who wanted to lead the nation back to the safer ground of uniformed stupidity.”

LonelyandTiredandLow · 12/02/2019 16:16

Step is reminding me of a conversation I had with a Muslim friend last year - she was worried about sending her son to a Catholic school. I wonder if Step might like to hazard a guess as to why? Many friends mention they wouldn't let their son's go on weekend Scout trips any more, again, I wonder why? Framing grooming gangs as a religious issue isn't new. It's just that men from all walks of life like to use their power over others. You didn't answer my question, but that is clearly to be expected seeing as you don't have the link everyone has been asking for for days now.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 12/02/2019 16:17

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StepLadders007 · 12/02/2019 16:19

tep do you see how your name calling to me got deleted and yet your comments re gangs hasn't been because you used polite turn of phrase? Yet the essence of what you said is truly offensive in the latter and also untrue. Btw I didn't report the name calling

You're a sad, medium sized person and you have my pity.

SusanWalker · 12/02/2019 16:19

I'm 5' 11 too hazard

So nice not to be the only tall person on the thread. Living in Cornwall I'm quite often the tallest. Many short people in Cornwall.