Westministenders: A Special Place in Hell

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A quick start to a new thread (as I've not been paying attention this evening!).

May is looking to ditch the Malthouse Compromise. Cos its so rubbish.

The ERG look like they are splitting over it anyway.

Up to sixty Labour MPs could back the WA.

Half the ERG plus Labour Leave Rebels could be enough to get the WA over the line.

Donald Tusk, makes controversial comment by more or less stating the obvious.

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Sorry, that seemed a bit rude, GD12, apologies.

It's not just the ' no deal' it's the powers they are seizing in plain sight.

This is, as Ivan Rogers said in his recent lecture, a revolution, and it is about to get quite real.

It will not be safe. As Tusk was warning us.

Are they expecting rescuing at 5 to 11 on the 29th?

Set up a fantasy cabinet in another post in Brexit. Interested in people's views.

Its OK Jericho 1, I know and it's unreal but what can we do? I literally feel helpless and even my partner gives me an eyeroll if I mention it!

Maybe surreal is a better word for it than unreal. Our government is turning into a fascist dictatorship in front of our eyes and there is nothing we can do to stop it because they already hold all the mechanisms of power.

I'm wide awake - I can see it happening - i understand it is happening and can guess where it goes from here. But it's not something I ever thought I would see in my life time.

Surreal.

Yeah, surreal is a better word and most of the country is asleep to it. I don't know how people can go about their daily lives normally.

I don't know how people can go about their daily lives normally
Clever isn't it.

^^ It's is.

GD12 I get what you mean, I feel exactly the same I described it as staring at an abyss knowing that if you jump you cause immense pain to many, yet you still jump, its madness & lunacy that a supposed democracy is being led sleepwalking into this hell.

I remember as a kid asking how the German people could let Hitler gain the power he did. I now understand much more.

That's the bit I'm really not getting either. Why it's not what everyone is talking about? What is it actually going to take to wake people up?

It's the complacency. And the fact that people don't like talking about politics, which, okay, fine, I get, not everyone is interested, but politics doesn't normally have the potential to fundamentally undermine the basic necessities of life in the same way that a no-deal brexit does, so really, you're going to keep ignoring it????

It's like watching a car crash in slow motion You can see what us going to happen but can't do anything to stop it

What is it actually going to take to wake people up

I don't understand the ins and outs of it, but it's what happens in a psych ops attack on a population, Britain was well chosen. It's been planned for a while, and thus far is going splendidly.

It's a small thing but a very big thing: the EU flags were confiscated before the Eurovision thing tonight. Illegal and immoral of course.

Not a whimper of complaint from anyone.

It's very well executed, this thing.

Russia needs Britain to be utterly cut off from mainland Europe. It is going well.

People will only wake up when it affects them directly. As I said, I've tried to talk to my partner about it and it's almost like it's incomprehensible so he doesn't think it'll happen, it's what happens when a country leads a generally privileged lifestyle. I was watching the C4 news tonight about Venezuela and how they have no medicine etc thinking "that'll be us in a couple of months". How did this all happen in the space of 3 years?!

This is what will happen to us too.

Even the ladies I have coffee with after Pilates (with whom I don't normally discuss Politics as they are all Unioninists or were in 2014 and generally right wing, whereas I am a lefty Indy supporter ) bring up the clusterfuck every week - but in a powerless way

I expect political discussion amongst my friends and family but there again, we all agree - but I've been pleasantly surprised that this disparate group of women are also talking - and worrying - about it, without a single word of support for Leave (not that they think the EU is perfect).

Most of the other newspapers focus on Philip Green. No other Brexshit tonight.

One of the main things I can’t get my head around is, how there has been no serious debates/programming about the consequences of a no deal or exploration of a compromise CU/SM etc the ERG/DUP roles in all this & the sheer dereliction of duty by most of our elected representatives.

Because it splits both parties down the middle.

At one time I would have almost lain down and died for the impartiality of the BBC.

That is now being eroded by the ranting of fading over paid idiots.

It makes me worry that I'm the mad one, for being worried about it. This thread is reassuring from that point of view, plus the voices on Twitter from people who seem to know what they're talking about.

But yes, you end up doubting your perception of the situation. Steve Bullock and Chris Kendall were talking about this on their latest Cakewatch, that the government are basically gaslighting the country.

Because it splits both parties down the middle

Makes the place into a one party state. Clever.

Takes wit, pragmatism, collaboration ( in its best sense) wisdom and humility to bridge the divide to get through this one.

But this is britain.

So.

Martial law it is then.

Yes Jericho

Can confirm that I HAVE been drinking but also that my friends were very insistent that this was my anxiety coming back out (not 2.5 years worth of actually paying attention) and yes they mocked, but each and every one made a point of coming out for "fresh air" (read cig smoke) and asking me what I thought they should stockpile. I've no doubt I came across as a slightly raving loon, but my main message was to just make sure they had enough to see them through 3 weeks, maybe imagiming it was a bad bit of snow (to most it seemed being scared of brexit was shameful), either way I got my point across and apologised in adbvance if I had made tehm buy uneccesarily, which they seemed happy with - natural disaster threats make more sense apparently! CBA to spell check rest....too tired x

feel like I should also update on friend who;s ex is Argentinian. She will all just start growing broccoli. I.e - where there is a will there is a way! People will come together.

V. diff from my leaver friend who is saying she will just go on t o the farmer's field if it is dark and take what she "needs" - who will stop her?

The brexiteer now sounds more sane than my friend who hasn't being paying attention but listening to her ex about Argentina and gold influxes....wtf! Not Sober.
Sorry we arw 6 bottles down and i'm going to sleep now.