Westministenders: A Special Place in Hell

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A quick start to a new thread (as I've not been paying attention this evening!).

May is looking to ditch the Malthouse Compromise. Cos its so rubbish.

The ERG look like they are splitting over it anyway.

Up to sixty Labour MPs could back the WA.

Half the ERG plus Labour Leave Rebels could be enough to get the WA over the line.

Donald Tusk, makes controversial comment by more or less stating the obvious.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3492426-Westministenders-Abbreviation
Guide to Brexit Abbreviations and Terms

Scanning rather than reading, but would recommend Octopus as a renewable energy supplier - cut my bills drastically from SSE ones.

So either they are subsidized, or SSE were really taking the piss. Or both ...

A new party called the Brexit Party, who want a hard Brexit
Surely not much use with 49 days 6 hours to go

Do they know something we don't?

DG - seem legit from what I've read but happy to be proven wrong!

Those new twats obviously anticipate a referendum. Hope they lose every single penny .

Those new twats obviously anticipate a referendum

Or are starting the new narrative "We Was Betrayed !" for whatever ensues in the next few decades ?

I've eaten my own body weight in biscuits today.

It hasn't helped.

I would imagine the British will try to dump waste in Ni so that the ROI doesn't want unification? or is that being cynical?

I don't see why that would work - the nuclear waste is still on the Island of Ireland whether they unify or not. The border isn't magic anti-nuclear protection. If anything it would be likely to firm up nationalist feeling in NI (as if brexit won't already have done that) and make unification more likely as both the ROI and NI would recognise the way to stop more nuclear waste being dumped on their island was to rip away Britain's right to dump it there.
If anything it will speed up the process.

Which then still leaves the question - where will Britain dump their nuclear waste then? But apparently asking questions about political fallout and its effects isn't joined up thinking

Well, my logic would be "why do i want to become responsible for a nuclear waste dump in Ulster?"

As i said in reply to Louise, it really doesn't matter where nuclear plants or waste is located within the UK, any accident is likely to affect most of our country.

Yes agree this proposal could speed up unification BEFORE the stuff gets dumped there!

Nuclear power is such a terribly irresponsible power source.

Nuclear power is such a terribly irresponsible power source.

Only if it's done wrong.

{Nuclear power is such a terribly irresponsible power source.}
But arguably so is coal and gas.

Of course, if there weren't so many humans, we wouldn't need so much energy (ducks)

The party is called ...The Brexit Party. It says it will field candidates in England, Wales, Scotland and Europe

Doesn't this imply that NF thinks we are going to Remain after all? Because otherwise, how will they field candidates in Europe?

(I never realised before that Farage's initials were quite so fitting.)

Also, because this is probably the most intelligent, sensible and well informed group of people I have any form of contact with these days, it seems worth asking a (probably very silly) question I've long wondered about.

Why can't we put loads and loads of solar panels in the Sahara Desert?

Well, my logic would be "why do i want to become responsible for a nuclear waste dump in Ulster?"

I don't think either the people or government of the ROI are that selfish. And - once it was a nuclear waste dump in the EU, I bet their 26 friends would provide money and help to bring it up to code and make it safe(r) - thereby making Ireland safer.
And it's arguably better to be responsible for a small nuclear waste dump (with support from your friends) than it is to live right next door to a massive, unregulated nuclear waste dump over which you have no control.

The UK has been looking for new nuclear waste storage facilities for decades - Nirex and the British Geological Survey were busy doing lots of studies in the late 1980s, and I had colleagues working on core logging contracts in the 1990s for feasibility studies.

The current programme is a screening and ranking exercise for the whole of the UK - not just for NI. Personally, I think it's more likely to be placed either close to existing nuclear facilities or an area with low population and large amounts of crown owned land.

This is a great thread from Peter Foster, although it makes for depressing reading.

twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1093925236989480962?s=19

A new party called the Brexit Party, who want a hard Brexit .Surely not much use with 49 days 6 hours to go.Do they know something we don't?

I've been out all day and am catching up. But yes what NF knows is that Brexit won't resolve the myriad of discontents (and in some cases prejudices) that triggered the vote. After we've trashed the economy nothing will have changed for the positive - so a party for the misdirected and discontented will have an immense attraction again.

Brexit or Hard Brexit really represents an unknown "X" factor. So in our political meltdown there's huge space for a renewed. extreme whatever - you - want - it - to - mean party.

{Why can't we put loads and loads of solar panels in the Sahara desert?
There already are.

Why can't we put loads and loads of solar panels in the Sahara Desert?

Because how do you get the energy where it's wanted ? GB, for example. Unless and until we have cracked either storing energy properly, or transmitting it properly, we'll always be stuck with the problem you need to make electricity relatively close to where it's wanted. Going back it's why mills and early industrial establishments were either near water, or easily available forests and later coal seams.

Pisspoor storage (with the exception of pumped dams - which still suffer the geography issue) is what's letting "renewables" down at present. Famously solar panels don't work at night, and wind power is variable at best (that's when it's not a nett drain on the grid, but that's a different issue).

There's no magic bullet for mankinds seemingly unquenchable thirst for energy. No matter how efficient we make things, demand outstrips supply.

Things aren't really helped by a socio-political-economic hegemony which has vested interests in keeping us buying cars, fridges, etc etc.

Why can't we put loads and loads of solar panels in the Sahara Desert

Politics mostly - the countries that cover the Sahara don't tend to be politically stable, which makes investors very twitchy. You will also lose a % of the power generated depending on the transmission distance (I'm sure DGR, as a techy, can elaborate), and you have construction and maintenance issues (transporting materials, challenging building conditions, sandstorms etc).

There is also an issue though that getting the power across large distances wastes a lot.
Not sure what the figure is but the power 'wasted' in the UK in transmission is around 10%, and it doesn't even go that far.

Well there’s this.
edition.cnn.com/2019/02/06/motorsport/morocco-solar-farm-formula-e-spt-intl/index.html

Farage/Brexit party will campaign to ensure that they are up and running if there is a PV or in the event of a WA, can then push for a very distant relationship with the EU after the transition period.

Makes Mays job of convincing the EU to modify the backstop even harder.

The BBC was very upbeat in 2016
www.bbc.com/future/story/20161129-the-colossal-african-solar-farm-that-could-power-europe