Is this the start of the civil war?

[Backwoodsgirl]

Looking through these threads we have lots of scared people prepping for the ever increasingly likely No Deal scenario. There is a lot anger, towards remainers and anger towards the government, who quite honestly I wouldn’t trust to look after a cannon ball.

As things disintegrate over the coming days, Are we actually watching the start of the next civil war? I admit without weapons and the depressed nature of British people it will be a crap civil war but non the less violence will happen.

I tend to discount the ridiculous when there's another possibility.

I think that poster actually meant diverting mid course. Like satnav telling you mid journey that it's quicker if you go a slightly different route. Lol.
But, of course I may be wrong.

Yes you are wrong. Of course I didn't mean change destination mid journey.

Some interesting responses

I definitely think that this is the beginning of a dark period of history.

The point has to made Weetabix , that there are of course potential solutions to Brexit issues, these should have been fully investigated and costed well before the 2016 referendum, not suggested and held up as solutions by someone with no experience in the field, posting on a parenting website with less than 2 bloody months to go. We are where we are, you cannot blame people who didn't vote the same way as you, for not believing in stuff that hasn't been logistically costed and investigated, that we don't have time to implement unless the EU grants us a massive extension period. Which of course will be seen as some as thwarting the democratic will of the people, rather than taking a sensible breather to get our shit together !

What type of war were you thinking? Swords? Guns? Bombs? Shall I tell Mr Arkos to start sharpening the kitchen knives? Come on. At worst there will be riots in certain areas

I've always fancied a trebuchet but I think I might be a little conspicuous in a crowd.

{I've always fancied a trebuchet but I think I might be a little conspicuous in a crowd.}
You need to join the Scouts!

Anger towards the remainers? I only see anger towards the leavers.

frumpety that basically sums it up. I asked about changing imports to eastern UK ports on another thread. Turns out fresh food imports, which are going to be the difficulty, come in on specifically designed roll-on/roll-off ferries, and the only ports with the capacity to handle those are the SE channel ports. Others handle container shipping. Plus we do not have the capacity to re-produce all necessary customs infrastructure in all ports in 57 days. If A50 had not been set off until a road-map was in place, and then all we had to in the 2 years following was set up infrastructure, it might have been doable. As it is with 57 days to go, we still do not have a plan for Brexit. There has been no preparation for no-deal scenarios. We are in very serious trouble. I don't think anything as clean as a nice simple civil war will result. There will be regular unrest everywhere, of a scale that will make the Miners' strikes look like the Queen's Garden Party.

Danger I think it a little unfair to say there has been no No deal planning, there was the lorry park malarkey just a couple of weeks ago, the Military are 'forward purchasing' and planning some war games type shenanigans and Martial law has been suggested.

Whilst the UK population appears to be taking part in some sort of Top Trumps style pity party over who has survived the worst decade !

I love the Top Trumps analogy! Surely an optional alternative to Brexit Bingo. Dare I summon the comedy skills of @TheElementsSong to this one .

It’s those Top Trumps Pitt parties that demonstrate deep resentments, divides and an inability to talk across them. They’re the surest indication of potential shit about to be slung (literally) as I can think of. The rise of crime shows it’s not entirely verbal either. Whichever pp it was who pointed to the uncertainties and stresses of the deteriorating economic context which has been brushed under the carpet for so long hit it on the head. Frumpety is right too, there have been preparations - to call out the (diminished) army on to British streets. They fear the populace too much to stop the cause of the problems, but they’ll call out the army. Something isn’t right here.

Pitt? Pitt. Although calling on a prime minister from that period is possibly appropriate!

Pity! Aarrggh

I knew what you meant. And also live the random reference to a historical figure.

Live?? Love

They fear the populace too much to stop the cause of the problems, but they’ll call out the army. Something isn’t right here.

Indeed.

Anger towards the remainers? I only see anger towards the leavers.
That's a very selective view. Didn't you see the headlines calling high court judges enemies of the people? Or the vitriol towards Anna Soubry and Gina Miller? Don't you listen to the news where MPs who dare to question whether Brexit is a good idea get accused of thwarting the will of the people? Haven't you heard remainers being accused of 'not getting behind' Brexit and 'talking the country down'? Haven't you seen remainers being referred to as remoaners, snowflakes, remainiacs, Libtards etc? If you look at any footage of leavers outside the Houses of Parliament or having one of their marches, you will see a huge amount of anger directed at remainers. Curious, given that they 'won'.
I'm not saying leavers don't have anger directed at them, but it works both ways.

Putting myself in the firing line here, innocent question, only 30% of our food comes from the eu....

Doesn't it!?

And all our deals with other countries are made via our membership of the E.U. every single trade deal ends if we No Deal. Everything. Not saying it can't be sorted eventually but not overnight.
And we don't grow the other 70%. If the ports are clogged up with customs bollocks even for a few minutes, the knock on effect at the ports is massive. Our supermarkets don't have massive warehouses of any food let alone fresh stuff.
And March April is the hungry gap - this means that British grown winter crops are finished and stuff for spring isn't ready.
Just that really.

I asked about changing imports to eastern UK ports on another thread Turns out fresh food imports, which are going to be the difficulty, come in on specifically designed roll-on/roll-off ferries, and the only ports with the capacity to handle those are the SE channel ports. Others handle container shipping

The Government updated its list of Ro-Ro ports in December - 21 ports on the list;
www.gov.uk/guidance/list-of-roll-on-roll-off-ports

Some port news:

Unifeeder starts new direct service between Poland and DP World’s London Gateway facility, commencing 22nd February:

www.4allports.com/unifeeder-to-begin-calling-at-dp-world-london-gateway-nid11166.html#sthash.4rSSBZOw.dpbs

Port of Liverpool secures import deal with multi-billion pound retailer B&M
Speke-based chain, which operates more than 600 UK stores, will now bring in 80% of its stock from its global suppliers via the River Mersey
lbndaily.co.uk/port-liverpool-secures-import-deal-multi-billion-pound-retailer-bm/

Hull and Immingham already handle over 11 million tonnes of Ro-Ro traffic every year; there is the capacity available to handle much more
www.abports.co.uk/About_ABP/Brexit_Resilience_/

There's no shortage of ports - they're just not in the right places, they're limited in the number of vehicles they can handle, and there aren't enough ferries to operate frequent services to them because of the length of the crossings.

Going via Dover/Folkestone it's (currently) possible to just head for the port/train knowing that there'll be one within an hour or so. I can book an open ticket for an artic for around £200 each way on a ferry or around £230 on the train. The ferry takes around 2 hours, the train takes around an hour.

If I was to book it Felixstowe to Rotterdam or Tilbury to Zebrugge then they only have 2 or 3 sailings each day, the crossing takes around 8 hours and it costs around £500. Depending on the journey that might save someone a few miles and the driver could potentially take his daily rest on board the ferry so it can work sometimes. It's an 8 hour crossing though - you'd need four ferries just to do the work of one ferry on the shorter Kent/France routes.

Hull and Immingham already handle over 11 million tonnes of Ro-Ro traffic every year; there is the capacity available to handle much more

Hull to Rotterdam 12 hours, 1 sailing per day. £575 each way.

You'd need 6 ferries on that route to do the the work of 1 ferry on a Kent/France route.

Rotterdam to Immingham instead then...

Tuesday, 15 January 2019
DFDS installs £3 million new crane at Port of Immingham

The arrival of a new 124 tonne Liebherr mobile harbour crane raises capacity across the port in 2019

Our 2019 plans include expanding our workforce and we have also acquired a bigger footprint on the dock to handle increased volumes of cargo. Larger vessels have been added to the Immingham-Rotterdam service and next month a larger capacity RoRo vessel will replace the existing LoLo vessel serving the Immingham/Norway/Continental route

www.lloydsloadinglist.com/freight-directory/news/DFDS-installs-%C2%A33-million-new-crane-at-Port-of-Immingham/73595.htm#.XFW1TNHkWUk