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Westminstenders: The English Gentleman and Martial Law

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RedToothBrush · 27/01/2019 09:52

Ahead of Tuesday's vote, let's have a quick look at the week's developments.

The Cooper-Boles Amendment seems to be in trouble. The amendment is designed to force government to extend A50 if the WA fails to pass parliament in order to prevent No Deal.

It's in trouble in several ways.

After lots of loud noises from Labour about supporting it, they have made no formal move to. Thus there is no requirement for Labour MPs to vote for it. The noise was just for Remain ears whilst trying to keep leavers on board.

The amendment is struggling for numbers; many of the former Labour MPs are extremely unreliable at votes and haven't turned up even for important ones of late. In addition to this, Tory rebels are backing away from it out of fear from a backlash from their grassroots who believe they are trying to stop Brexit. There was talk of up to 20 ministers resigning to back it, including Amber Rudd, yet as Sunday has dawned there's no sign yet and its usually the day for such political statements. Though there is time yet.

And finally there is the prospect of Murrison II. Now also backed by 1922 heavyweights Graham Brady and Damien Green this seeks to remove the backstop from the WA on our side.

Except the EU has said that this would not be the WA if it does not contain the backstop. And they would not ratify it.

Yet rumours are May is close to a majority to get the WA through with Murrison II.

There has been much speculation over what would happen to the Irish border in a no deal with Farage sticking his oar in saying "nothing". Whilst Barnier states that there would, but the Irish government are avoiding the subject. We have now had the comment that it would mean the return of Irish soldiers to the border...

We could have a looming situation where parliament passes Murrison II AND Cooper-Boles. But Cooper-Boles deemed invalid cos the WA has been passed by Parliament but in effect isn't worth the paper (or goat skin) it's written on. Thus no deal could still happen by 'accident'.

There's been talk of Murrison II not being picked by Bercow, and how this would provoke a walkout by government. It seems that since he's done it once it would be difficult to ignore.

And whilst all this is going on we now have the mainstream newspapers saying that there are plans for martial law, 'forward purchasing' of food, fuel and ammunition. Talk of travel bans and property seizure. And just general plans for the collapse of free society and the supply of basic essentials for continuous of life. And many ERG MPs are tweeting things which seem to be rather fond and happy with the idea.

Do not forget: What happens when May is gone? Who replaces her, and what are their views on liberal society and freedom. Cos that all looks rather 'troubling' in an authoritarian state kind of way. What power would they wield?

Just what are we sleep walking into?

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borntobequiet · 27/01/2019 21:19

YY to the cupboard thread. Who’d have thought it?

LonelyandTiredandLow · 27/01/2019 21:19

Boris is saying that because he knows EU won't let the backstop change. He's signalling to Brexiteers what to jump up and down about when it doesn't work, rather than pointing out the obvious - the EU won't budge on it.

PestymcPestFace · 27/01/2019 21:22

Legislation passed indicates no deal.

It is not just me is it, Boris wrote this weeks article whilst getting a blow job Confused

GD12 · 27/01/2019 21:23

twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1089633683764588544?s=19
EXCLUSIVE

Remain ministers said PM must commit to securing Brexit deal within 2 weeks if she is to avoid resignations over no deal during conference call TONIGHT

A dozen ministers on call including Amber Rudd, Greg Clark, David Gauke & Caroline Nokes

t.co/J7JP22x1LO

"We'll resign in two week errr er er errr".

So they vote against Cooper/Boles if 2nd meaningful vote in 2 weeks. Pathetic and allows May to run the clock down even more.

TokyoSushi · 27/01/2019 21:23

So mad I posted it 3 times!!!

PestymcPestFace · 27/01/2019 21:25

Tokyo, tis time to be mad. Wink

Elements have you thought of standing for parliament?

UnnecessaryFennel · 27/01/2019 21:25

Thanks for that pesty, brain bleach needed.

GD12 · 27/01/2019 21:26

If you thought the Tory rebel ministers would save us, think again.

UnnecessaryFennel · 27/01/2019 21:26

I meant your Boris comment, not Elements standing for parliament Grin

7Days · 27/01/2019 21:26

There's new eu tax haven legislation coming in April, I believe.
I'm sure someone more knowlegable will be able to parse the implications.

Also eu elections in the summer, trying to dodge another can if worms I suppose.

TheElementsSong · 27/01/2019 21:27

Pesty Grin Nah, I'd hate my colleagues Grin

Destiel · 27/01/2019 21:30

That thread is....eye opening 👀

PootlesBobbleHat · 27/01/2019 21:32

Well it proves I was right to be furious that we were asked to vote on such an important matter. I'm slightly (though not massively) bright and deal with evidence-based healthcare for a living, and I did my best to sift through the arguments.

And then..then...there are people on that thread...who think we'll be fine because Heinz...

Ta1kinPeace · 27/01/2019 21:34

Quote from surferjet on the Cupboard thread
It’s not really project fear, just project sensible.
and that is AFTER we agreed that staying in the Customs Union is the best outcome GrinGrinGrin

LonelyandTiredandLow · 27/01/2019 21:36

Wow! Well done - was sure he/she was a troll.

BobDobbs · 27/01/2019 21:37

Thanks for the replies... Depressing, isn't it.

Sostenueto · 27/01/2019 21:40

CakeCakeCake

LonelyandTiredandLow · 27/01/2019 21:43

We can't have MP's thwarting Brexit! . The Education Secretary. So worried about schooling!

PootlesBobbleHat · 27/01/2019 21:46

Oh my god I've just realised the conspiracy! Chris Packham appeared on BBC today saying there are too many animals grazing the New Forest and now someone has talked on the Cupboard thread about people eating the Dartmoor ponies in WW2!!!

It's the perfect storm! Nooo! Somebody save the ponies!!! The little short ones only have tiny legs. They can't run as fast!!!

GD12 · 27/01/2019 21:50

^^^ There's a few Shetland Ponies on a farm near me I've been eyeing up. Plenty of meat on them! 😅

WonderWoman2019 · 27/01/2019 21:54

Slooooooow...I checked out the Shetland ponies near me literally months ago. It was more a personal boundary finding experiment than anything else. Conclusion: I can't kill them personally ...would prefer to go full vegetarian. however I might pay someone else to kill them and eat it They have fluffy eyelashes Sad

PootlesBobbleHat · 27/01/2019 21:55

There's a man in my woods who repeatedly tells me how to prepare squirrel. You need 2 per person apparently. And I have hunting dogs, So...

I'll not be eating ponies, thank you. Even when they stare through my window in dead of night like spooky beasties.

PestymcPestFace · 27/01/2019 21:57

DD has just been asking if we can teach her how to skin things, she is very keen on rabbit and squirrel, curious about deer. Should I enquire it ponies are also on her list.

Sostenueto · 27/01/2019 21:58

I reckon we have been eating horsemeat for a number of years in certain products remember the horsemeat scandal not that long ago?Hmm

PCPlumsTruncheon · 27/01/2019 22:00

I don’t think I dare check out the cupboard thread so close to bedtime as I won’t sleep.
Did anyone see Yvette Cooper on the Marr show this morning? I was sat there thinking,’Oh, why can’t we have you instead of waste of space Corbyn?’ She’s sharp as a razor.
Does anyone of a certain age remember ‘Weekend World?’ It used to be on at Sunday lunchtime and consisted of a politician being grilled for a solid hour. They couldn’t get away with avoiding the question or just parroting sound bites < sheds nostalgic tear for days when politicians had some integrity >