Westminstenders: The English Gentleman and Martial Law

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Ahead of Tuesday's vote, let's have a quick look at the week's developments.

The Cooper-Boles Amendment seems to be in trouble. The amendment is designed to force government to extend A50 if the WA fails to pass parliament in order to prevent No Deal.

It's in trouble in several ways.

After lots of loud noises from Labour about supporting it, they have made no formal move to. Thus there is no requirement for Labour MPs to vote for it. The noise was just for Remain ears whilst trying to keep leavers on board.

The amendment is struggling for numbers; many of the former Labour MPs are extremely unreliable at votes and haven't turned up even for important ones of late. In addition to this, Tory rebels are backing away from it out of fear from a backlash from their grassroots who believe they are trying to stop Brexit. There was talk of up to 20 ministers resigning to back it, including Amber Rudd, yet as Sunday has dawned there's no sign yet and its usually the day for such political statements. Though there is time yet.

And finally there is the prospect of Murrison II. Now also backed by 1922 heavyweights Graham Brady and Damien Green this seeks to remove the backstop from the WA on our side.

Except the EU has said that this would not be the WA if it does not contain the backstop. And they would not ratify it.

Yet rumours are May is close to a majority to get the WA through with Murrison II.

There has been much speculation over what would happen to the Irish border in a no deal with Farage sticking his oar in saying "nothing". Whilst Barnier states that there would, but the Irish government are avoiding the subject. We have now had the comment that it would mean the return of Irish soldiers to the border...

We could have a looming situation where parliament passes Murrison II AND Cooper-Boles. But Cooper-Boles deemed invalid cos the WA has been passed by Parliament but in effect isn't worth the paper (or goat skin) it's written on. Thus no deal could still happen by 'accident'.

There's been talk of Murrison II not being picked by Bercow, and how this would provoke a walkout by government. It seems that since he's done it once it would be difficult to ignore.

And whilst all this is going on we now have the mainstream newspapers saying that there are plans for martial law, 'forward purchasing' of food, fuel and ammunition. Talk of travel bans and property seizure. And just general plans for the collapse of free society and the supply of basic essentials for continuous of life. And many ERG MPs are tweeting things which seem to be rather fond and happy with the idea.

Do not forget: What happens when May is gone? Who replaces her, and what are their views on liberal society and freedom. Cos that all looks rather 'troubling' in an authoritarian state kind of way. What power would they wield?

Just what are we sleep walking into?

Okay....Amendments chosen for today in this order:

Jeremy Corbyn
Ian Blackford
Dominic Grieve
Yvette Cooper
Rachel Reeves
Caroline Spellman
Graham Brady

Question. How would this Maltings arrangement be different in 3 years' time if there's no Deal in terms of guaranteeing a soft border? Why would the Maltings be better than No Deal after 29th March to avoid a hard border? I'm seriously confused

I only know the Cooper, Brady and Grieve ones

TM speaking now...same old, same old.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/29/british-pensioners-in-eu-will-lose-nhs-covered-health-care-under-no-deal-brexit?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

This isn't surprising but again hasn't been planned for.

The article also talks about pensioners flying back for treatment but my understanding is that as they aren't resident in the UK they wouldn't be entitled to free treatment. I know my family isn't when in the UK despite being citizens and owning a house here.

I think the Spellman one is about ruling out No Deal.

@weezol Any chance of a recap? I'm pretty sure I sometimes almost sort of get it but am unable to show my working...I promise not to shout out or need to go for a wee halfway through.

We ended up talking about all the issues that would come up if her class held a vote to leave the school and go it alone. So where would they get lunch from, would they be able to use the playground at break, how would they arrange for the music teacher to come and do music lessons. That sort of thing. So while they might be able to choose their own school uniform there would be lots of things they take for granted they would have to work out and arrange for themselves.

It's very simplistic and obviously she doesn't really understand it all, but helped her understand why it might seem like a good idea to some people to start with but as soon as you look at the practicalities it's a nightmare.

It was the best we could come up with at short notice when she came home from school wanting to know about brexit.

OR STATE ENEMY

Fuckers of the highest fuckery

And my day still going

Oh FFS TM stop going on about the 80% voting for parties that pledged to honour the referendum. Jesus. This is why I’d have to vote LibDem.

So basically amendment after amendment until.....

And she wouldn't answer as to what alternatives there are to the backstop

TM confirming that will bring the 'deal' back for another meaningful vote as soon as possibly can.

If haven't by Feb 13th then will table an amendable motion the next day so that MPs have another chance to vote against no deal.

That today the focus is on what we do want.

TM gets angrier each time I hear her talk. As donall her "honourable friends." Honour, my arse.

The article also talks about pensioners flying back for treatment but my understanding is that as they aren't resident in the UK they wouldn't be entitled to free treatment.

If they are white, talk with a British accent, and give a valid address, who is going to check up on them?

These pensioners won't be registered with a GP. We attended a walk in clinic with DC and had to complete a form, as white British people with an address, the form asked about your GP, you would have to lie to get free treatment.
It also doesn't address the issue that really ill people aren't going to be able to fly anywhere, or get reasonable health insurance.

I can’t watch this anymore. Switched off and off out to (I hope) pick up DH’s prescription a little early.

Then I’m buying posh sausages and lots of chocolate.

Oh FFS TM stop going on about the 80% voting for parties that pledged to honour the referendum. Jesus. This is why I’d have to vote LibDem.

Exactly this. Everybody who voted either Tory or Labour in 2017, regardless of their actual beliefs, is being used as a fig-leaf for this clusterfuck. If we do end up with No Deal, no medicines, no food, they're going to point at all those voters and say "Well, you did vote for party manifestos which explicitly supported Brexit."

If they are white, talk with a British accent, and give a valid address, who is going to check up on them?

You need to remember that the whole MO of the "hostile environment" has been to put the onus on society to do the dirty work. So I am guessing the moment a health practice gets fined and swizzled by someone claiming exemption when not entitled, you will see every patient hit with demands for proof of entitlement.

More fun ahead.

The 80% voted for pro Brexit parties line really boils my piss. There's no way the people who trot that out would have the brass neck to say 80% of the population are pro Brexit.

FPT-motherfucking-P has a lot to answer for.

The 80% voted for pro Brexit parties line really boils my piss. There's no way the people who trot that out would have the brass neck to say 80% of the population are pro Brexit.

If our media was worth a pint of warm piss, it would also take that use of statistics to remind the entire country of how many people didn't vote for the Tories.

So on the one hand people voted for a party because of everything on the manifesto...yet on the other both parties ditch anything that is inconvenient/too difficult/they realise was mad, once they win.
I won’t ask how they reconcile these differences, because I think it would be impossible to answer. Unless they are all hypocrites and think we are all mugs. Actually I’ve answered it.

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