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Westminstenders: The English Gentleman and Martial Law

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RedToothBrush · 27/01/2019 09:52

Ahead of Tuesday's vote, let's have a quick look at the week's developments.

The Cooper-Boles Amendment seems to be in trouble. The amendment is designed to force government to extend A50 if the WA fails to pass parliament in order to prevent No Deal.

It's in trouble in several ways.

After lots of loud noises from Labour about supporting it, they have made no formal move to. Thus there is no requirement for Labour MPs to vote for it. The noise was just for Remain ears whilst trying to keep leavers on board.

The amendment is struggling for numbers; many of the former Labour MPs are extremely unreliable at votes and haven't turned up even for important ones of late. In addition to this, Tory rebels are backing away from it out of fear from a backlash from their grassroots who believe they are trying to stop Brexit. There was talk of up to 20 ministers resigning to back it, including Amber Rudd, yet as Sunday has dawned there's no sign yet and its usually the day for such political statements. Though there is time yet.

And finally there is the prospect of Murrison II. Now also backed by 1922 heavyweights Graham Brady and Damien Green this seeks to remove the backstop from the WA on our side.

Except the EU has said that this would not be the WA if it does not contain the backstop. And they would not ratify it.

Yet rumours are May is close to a majority to get the WA through with Murrison II.

There has been much speculation over what would happen to the Irish border in a no deal with Farage sticking his oar in saying "nothing". Whilst Barnier states that there would, but the Irish government are avoiding the subject. We have now had the comment that it would mean the return of Irish soldiers to the border...

We could have a looming situation where parliament passes Murrison II AND Cooper-Boles. But Cooper-Boles deemed invalid cos the WA has been passed by Parliament but in effect isn't worth the paper (or goat skin) it's written on. Thus no deal could still happen by 'accident'.

There's been talk of Murrison II not being picked by Bercow, and how this would provoke a walkout by government. It seems that since he's done it once it would be difficult to ignore.

And whilst all this is going on we now have the mainstream newspapers saying that there are plans for martial law, 'forward purchasing' of food, fuel and ammunition. Talk of travel bans and property seizure. And just general plans for the collapse of free society and the supply of basic essentials for continuous of life. And many ERG MPs are tweeting things which seem to be rather fond and happy with the idea.

Do not forget: What happens when May is gone? Who replaces her, and what are their views on liberal society and freedom. Cos that all looks rather 'troubling' in an authoritarian state kind of way. What power would they wield?

Just what are we sleep walking into?

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icannotremember · 27/01/2019 20:25

DH has finally agreed we can do some stockpiling forward purchasing. Far too late from my pov. He seemed surprised and a bit alarmed to learn I have already made lists of things we need to buy and allocated spending for it.

Hazardswans · 27/01/2019 20:26

I read the start of that thread and thought it was going okay, 90%ish agreeing with the cupboard. I won't look at it now.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 27/01/2019 20:37

babooshka There's our problem:
Almost all the Hoc fail all 7 of those "Principles of Public Life"

Yup. With a few notable backbench exceptions.

That Brexit cupboard thread is quite something. I especially enjoyed (and I use ‘enjoyed’ in it’s totally inaccurate sense) the very ranty poster who keeps going on how we’ll be able to import anything from anywhere now that we won’t have to abide by EEC rules. Paraphrasing but there was a post along the lines of ‘for goodness sake so you think we only import from the EEC now. We have deals with loads of countries and now we won’t have to add tariffs just because the EEC make us. LOL’

I liked the addition of LOL

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 27/01/2019 20:38

Hazard I thought that in the beginning. It was quite heartening. Then it all went horribly wrong...

PootlesBobbleHat · 27/01/2019 20:43

That cupboard thread is what made me pull up my drawbridge. Fuck'em. If it's all fine I've done my April shop early and can put my feet up on my days off. If not, I'll sit indoors eating my pasta and Christmas puddings watching convicts cosh the panic buyers in the Aldi store opposite my house over their heads with weighted socks because a fight has broken out over the last of the crumpets (note: I already have crumpets).

As there won't be TV or social media it'll give me something to do.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 27/01/2019 20:55
Quietrebel · 27/01/2019 20:57

Wow I was away the whole day and only just tune back in. I feel I've slipped into an alternative reality (been feeling that for a while but OMG today is something else!)
Leave EU is a fascist organisation. Britain needs to kick them in the balls.

Destiel · 27/01/2019 20:57

Pretty much my view too pootle

Hazardswans · 27/01/2019 20:59

singing ohhh I wanna see now Grin

Destiel · 27/01/2019 21:00

Interesting point about poll tax and who the public blamed...

Hopefully the public will blame those truly responsible for this.

StoorieHoose · 27/01/2019 21:03

I’m Scottish I was on a YTS wage and had to pay poll tax. There is only one person and one political party that I blame

GD12 · 27/01/2019 21:03

Oh FFS.

twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1089629590451113984?s=19

EXCLUSIVE

Boris Johnson says entire nation will give Theresa May 'full-throated' support if she succeeds in securing backstop 'freedom clause'

He says he has heard 'from lips of very senior sources' PM planning to reopen withdrawal agreement

t.co/mpdBRyvFkN

BobDobbs · 27/01/2019 21:04

Thanks for the many threads red that I have lurked on but rarely posted.

I am delurking to ask a question that I have been wondering about. Am I right in thinking that the brexit date was effectively chosen by Theresa May, when she triggered article 50? If so, is there any sane reason why she would have chosen to leave at such a bad time of year, ie the time of year when the UK is barely producing any food of its own?

GD12 · 27/01/2019 21:04

No deal incoming.

RedToothBrush · 27/01/2019 21:07

Am I right in thinking that the brexit date was effectively chosen by Theresa May, when she triggered article 50? If so, is there any sane reason why she would have chosen to leave at such a bad time of year, ie the time of year when the UK is barely producing any food of its own?

The sane answer is that in March 2017 no one was crazy enough to consider politicians would have been infected by the weird virus from 28 days later that turned them into mindless, zombies hell bent on turning the country into a disaster movie cos fuck business.

We all just thought, yeah we'll get a deal. It might be a monumentally shit deal but we'd get one.

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borntobequiet · 27/01/2019 21:07

Why does everything Boris say sound vaguely pornographic?
Serious question. But I think I know the answer.

borntobequiet · 27/01/2019 21:08

says

PestymcPestFace · 27/01/2019 21:08

Just before the new tax year and some nasty anti-tax avoidance legislation by the EU Bob

Doubt she has ever had to think where food comes from.

borntobequiet · 27/01/2019 21:11

The inconvenient Leave date: no politician, least of all anyone near a Ministerial remit, has the faintest idea of real circumstances that affect production and people.

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 27/01/2019 21:12

Boris Johnson says entire nation will give Theresa May 'full-throated' support if she succeeds in securing backstop 'freedom clause

Urgh just when you think Brexit can’t get any worse, Boris Johnson opens his mouth again. How fucking dare he “speak” for the “entire nation”. Deluded nitwit.

TokyoSushi · 27/01/2019 21:13

Just watching Sky News, they're basically saying that there literally is not going to be any further movement on the backstop.

I understand that I'm completely oversimplifying things but if there is absolutely nothing what we can do about the backstop, the WA is never going to go through, is it?

So there's really no point extending A50 to get the deal through as there's nothing that can be done with the deal to make it acceptable? So what do we then? The only options as I see it are no deal, revoke - but what precedent would what set, you vote and then we ignore you? Or peoples vote, but this carries the very real risk that we'll vote to leave again.

Unless we start to bring Norway, and Canada etc back into the mix...

What a bloody, bloody mess!! Argh!

TokyoSushi · 27/01/2019 21:13

Just watching Sky News, they're basically saying that there literally is not going to be any further movement on the backstop.

I understand that I'm completely oversimplifying things but if there is absolutely nothing what we can do about the backstop, the WA is never going to go through, is it?

So there's really no point extending A50 to get the deal through as there's nothing that can be done with the deal to make it acceptable? So what do we then? The only options as I see it are no deal, revoke - but what precedent would what set, you vote and then we ignore you? Or peoples vote, but this carries the very real risk that we'll vote to leave again.

Unless we start to bring Norway, and Canada etc back into the mix...

What a bloody, bloody mess!! Argh!

Tick tock, tick tock

TokyoSushi · 27/01/2019 21:15

Just watching Sky News, they're basically saying that there literally is not going to be any further movement on the backstop.

I understand that I'm completely oversimplifying things but if there is absolutely nothing what we can do about the backstop, the WA is never going to go through, is it?

So there's really no point extending A50 to get the deal through as there's nothing that can be done with the deal to make it acceptable? So what do we then? The only options as I see it are no deal, revoke - but what precedent would what set, you vote and then we ignore you? Or peoples vote, but this carries the very real risk that we'll vote to leave again.

Unless we start to bring Norway, and Canada etc back into the mix...

What a bloody, bloody mess!! Argh!

Tick tock, tick tick

GD12 · 27/01/2019 21:16

Tokyo sushi

It really looks as if May is just running the clock down and wants to no deal then to blame the EU, in fact it's blindingly obvious what's about to unfold.

Ta1kinPeace · 27/01/2019 21:16

the Brexit cupboard thread has just turned more surreal than even I could possibly have imagined
please read and enjoy Wink

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