To be completely cheesed off. More F-ing brexit chaos

[Theworldisfullofgs]

The European Medical Agency left their London offices today to relocate to Amsterdam.
900 jobs. Lost our leading role in evaluating medicines.

No clear pathway forward.

What they should of written on that bus

Step forward into chaos, we have no idea and we're just telling you what you want to hear: Vote Leave.

Wonder the threads aren't hidden away - Brexit has been given it's own board that's all. Before the Brexit Board - AIBU was log-jammed with threads and mostly would disintegrate into really tough and nasty bunfights.

Not all Brexit threads come here - the DH Brexit Cupboard is still going strong as it's remained well-mannered and encompasses other factors of general interest to the majority of MNers, such as DH's, food cupboards and general contingencies.

Yes it's true that a thread has far fewer posters when it moves to the Brexit Board because this Board is rather dull and pretty much an echo-chamber for Remain posters - quite a few posters only post on this Board having no interest in the general MN discussions.

This is clearly evidenced by the what do you want and how did you vote thread. At least 95% of posters voted to Remain - not representative at all of the UK electorate or, at a guess, UK Mners either.

My own interest in MN started over 10 years ago through the SEN threads, that topic now has it's own Board - do I think that 'hides' SEN away? Not at all.

Norfolk also voted leave, apart from Norwich.
If you look at a variety of areas they mostly voted leave.
Most of the NE voted leave too.

Thank you for answering my question romany

I think most leave voters have gone a bit quiet, it's just the most rabid brexiteers who are still outspoken. Where I work those who were very vocal leave voters just don't mention brexit anymore. It's really weird actually. Some are very bright people and I'd love to know what they're thinking.

We have a brexit stockpile that includes lots of shelf stable food and over the counter medicines. I tend to think things will just get much more expensive than they are now and that there will be A lot of people who just can't afford food. The just about managing families that TM used to pretend to care about won't be managing anymore. So we will hopefully be able to donate our stockpiled food to food banks and if others do the same it should help ease the situation a bit even if just temporarily.

I'm in a wealthy area in the south with very little immigration, eu or otherwise. 58% leave. Not surprised at all. They'd vote to build a wall round here if given a chance.

I am annoyed that the EMA has gone, because I lost a good dentist because of it. His wife works for the EMA, and he retired early to move with her. Without that, he would have worked for another five years or so, at least.

I think quite a lot of deprived areas in U.K. were recipients of a lot of EU funding. Areas that voted leave. The assumption is that the government will step in when the EU funding runs out. But the story government has never been a fan of the regions, so I don’t see that happening.

I went on holiday to Bournemouth last year and had a walk round the area where we used to go as kids. It’s unrecognisable now - all the local shops have gone. There were five Polish supermarkets and three Romanian ones. You hear no English on the streets. If I lived there, I’d probably have voted leave too.

You hear no English on the streets.

Are you sure about that?

You hear no English on the streets.

Yes. Where I live in London, it is unusual to hear a conversation in English in my local area. I first noticed and acknowledged that to myself about five years ago when I heard a conversation in English and it was a slight surprise. It drives my racist father up the wall and he once asked how I could live here and have to put up with that?

I voted remain btw.

Yes, I am quite sure I heard no English. All the staff in the shops were Polish and spoke in Polish to each other. I heard a lot of Romanian (I speak both Polish and Romanian) plus some other Slav languages. No English at all.

So what?
When I lived and worked abroad I spoke English with the English people I knew and the local language when I was with people who were local. It was mostly the latter - I even dreamed in the local language (no doubt, ungrammatically) if I hadn't spent much time with English- speaking people for a while.
Weirdly, when I did speak to English people we weren't slagging off people around us or plotting the overthrow of the government. We were just, y'know, chatting.

Brexit won’t be pretty and I am still not sure it will happen at all but the only short term danger is mass panic, such as food hoarding.

Apparently about 25% of all civil service work is Brexit planning and that includes groups doing emergency planning.

It is highly unlikely (I am tempted to say impossible but never say never) that we will be short basic food or medicine. It is highly irresponsible to hoard and push up the prices for those less fortunate.

As for Brexit itself, it is undoubtedly a shit show. Our negotiations will be taught in business schools as a case study in how not to negotiate. Economically the best thing would be to go crawling back cap in hand and cut our losses. Politically, however, this is really hard and does risk disorder and would certainly cause further rupture between the elite (most on here) and everyone else. A ‘people’s teferendum’ (was the first one an animal referendum?!) risks another tight vote, probably, but not certainly, favouring remain. If it is 51/49 leave again, then what? If it is 51/49 remain, do you have another one?

I think we have two realistic choices, announce we are not in a position to leave yet and talk about reviewing the situation in 5-10 years, Still pretty toxic but at least does not waste more time or a deal similar to May’s, pleases no one but maybe prevents the wholesale tearing is the structure of our society.

No good options.

I'm in Bournemouth for at least 3 days every month. I hear English all the time there, in the shops, on public transport, everywhere. I've no doubt you hear some non-English speakers - particularly as there are a lot of language schools in Bournemouth - but no English at all? Sorry, but that's utter bollocks.
Anecdata does not equal fact.

The JIT model that pretty much all retail and manufacturing utilises currently means that very little warehousing goes on. Goods are sold and components are used within a short time of arrival and reordered immediately. In effect, the roads are the warehouses, and the system relies on the free unimpeded flow of vehicles carrying the goods.
If this system breaks down, which is the main immediate consequence of a no deal crash out, no restocking can take place. So manufacturers are having to spend a lot of money on storage for stockpiling. There is, however, not enough storage space available for supermarkets to stockpile all the food and drink necessary if there were (say) a two week shutdown. This is why it’s actually essential for individuals and families to use the space they have to store supplies to tide them over while the system is still working. It won’t put prices up. In fact at least one supermarket (Sainsbury’s) has a price lock pledge on right now. What would cause shortages and might put prices up is panic buying at the last minute by those who wouldn’t (or, sadly, couldn’t) prepare.
So stock up discreetly, bit by bit, and put something in the food bank to help someone else, every shop.

Twofingers- this was in Boscombe, not Central Bournemouth. I remembered Boscombe as being quite a “naice” place with pretty houses and a lovely old fashioned shopping arcade. The lovely shopping arcade was largely full of boarded up shops with the odd charity or pound shop, and as I said, the rest of the place was foreign supermarkets, Primark, Peacocks and Pound Shops.

Again, @MrsSchadenfreude , so what? Genuinely don't see the problem.

loumumsnet I purposefully didn't put it on the Brexit board. Because you don't get as much traffic and this is important. So your 'hopefully' is well placed.

By the way it's not surprising area with low immigration voted leave. We are naturally programmed to like people like us (fusiform area of the brain) and to be somewhat tribal.
The issue we have now is that we had a few eurosceptics who really didn't want to win the referendum. Unfortunately they did run a better and less ethical campaign. But now we have load of brexit -sceptics (me included) who will poke at brexit for the foreseeable future. And the likelihood is now we will have an emigration rather than immigration problem. A country of old people.

Oh, here we go again but with a refreshing extra twist, having thought of some more pejorative narratives to spread. I suppose the initial labelling of prepping (in January) as "panic-buying" (for March) just wasn't sticking well enough despite some quite widespread efforts across the threads.

So now, fresh brainwave, prepping is labelled as selfish "hoarding", and of course we can continue with the idea that every time some horrible MNer buys an extra tin of beans it reduces the number of tins on the National Big Bean Counter thus causing shortages. And now we can add that said horrible MNer, by reducing the number of tins on the Big Bean Counter, is responsible for increasing prices!

So remember all True BeLeavers, if you acknowledge at all that prices have increased on many things, and will increase further, that this is NOT caused by Brexit's effect on the economy and the value of the £ falling - no, it's all the fault of Remainers and their selfish hoarding. And if there are shortages after March, that too is not due to No Deal Brexit, but also entirely the fault of Remainers and their selfish hoarding.

Ta-dah! 🎉

element they don't need to worry. The introduction of Marshall Law will make us re distribute our beans.

@TheElementsSong - I think the army has bought all the beans. Hateful unpatriotic hoarders that they are causing panic and mayhem by ..... doing their job.

@bellinisurge - Ah, I suppose that would be special patriotic non-hoarding, perhaps that might be called something non-pejorative, like, um, "preparing" or "stockpiling"?

MrsSchadenfreude

I go Bournemouth on a regular basis, usually Capita in Holdenhurst Road nr Boscombe, sure there are EU citizens, as there are citizens from many other countries too but whats your point? they make up a tiny % of the total population and English is by far the most commonly heard language.

I just don't get this Xenophobia

Brexit just means we'll take the younger people needed to care for all the elderly in Dorset from developing countries.

Or lose their knowledge and expertise as seen with the departure of the EMA.

@MrsSchadenfreude Boscombe (AKA Browntown) hasn't been naice for many a year. Nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with massive drug problems and a decline in tourism since British seaside resorts lost out to cheap overseas flights.

Yep my ex heroin addict stepdad used to spend a lot of time in boscombe...I've never heard anyone refer to it as "naice" before!

TheElements,

Relabelling stocking or hoarding as ‘prepping’ does not change the thing itself. Regardless of the effect of Brexit on prices, it does not repeal the law of supply and demand. If people overbuy, prices will rise, this is economics 101, not a rallying cry.

It is selfish and not environmentally friendly to ‘prep’. We are all in the same boat and no one is going to starve in the UK. A pound to a penny, as well, most ‘preppers’ on here will not be hoarding essentials but luxuries that they are frightened will be temporarily unavailable after Brexit (if it ever happens).