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Westminstenders: Red Squirrels are British. Groundhogs are not.

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RedToothBrush · 21/01/2019 23:05

Well the good news is we haven't got a GE yet, and it looks unlike one will be called this week. Purely because we haven't got a crisis point looming this week.

May has officially confirmed plan A is plan B. But says she will try and get more on the backstop whilst working with the DUP. Barnier and Ireland have said 'no'

We now prepare for the Meaningful Vote II.

And a week of speculation about amendments.

Here's a quick summary of likely ones:
Guardian Article on possible amendments

I think the Labour one will struggle to gain Tory support. The big thing about it is leans the party line firmly towards a customs union.

The Grieve one is handicapped by talk of a minority of 300 taking control of Parliament. Otherwise it might have support.

The two most interesting are:

The Benn 'Indicative Vote' as its reflective of the Brexit Select Committee recommendations.

The Cooper-Boles Block No Deal amendment which is cross party and seeks to place a final date on May passing her deal by 26th Feb, after which Parliament will take control. This I believe is being supported by Labour as a whole.

Bercow of course gets to say which amendments are debated and voted on but Benn and Cooper-Boles have broad support so are unlikely to be ignored by him. The two together seem to compliment each other.

The rest of this week is likely to be lobbying on this but otherwise fairly calm. Though someone is bound to throw a few curveball in there with leaks.

The only other thing to watch out for is talk of up to 40 ministers quitting if they are not allowed a free vote on some sort of indicative vote motion. This seems to be being lead by Amber Rudd. But I don't expect this to come to a head until the weekend at the earliest.

In other words, we have a couple of days of calm before the storm. Expect it to ramp up again at the weekend in craziness.

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RedToothBrush · 22/01/2019 23:55

UK in Belgium @UKInBelgium
Holders of UK driving licences in Belgium should exchange their UK licences for a Belgian one before 29 March 2019. If the UK leaves the EU without a deal on 29 March 2019, you'll not be able to exchange your licence without taking a driving test. Info: t.co/XN4lmYAweL

This is the British embassy in Brussels.

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ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 22/01/2019 23:55

I was listening to Radio 4 earlier. They had someone on from Vote Leave. One of the questions asked was what slogan the Leave campaign might use.

No Deal: No Problem was one of the ones suggested.

They are very much preparing for a No deal if it goes to a people’s vote. Fucking scary.

Quietrebel · 23/01/2019 00:01

@bigchoc
That Ivan Rogers lecture should simply be compulsory viewing for all citizens. Thanks for sharing!

Quietrebel · 23/01/2019 00:03

I know a No Deal fan irl. He's a complete muppet. I've always been polite until now but anyone seriously looking forward to this is either severely deluded or intellectually challenged.

SleightOfMind · 23/01/2019 00:12

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1087360379691380736.html

A list of exactly which laws the UK were forced to comply with due to EU membership. (With amusing synopses Grin so not too dry)

Useful spell against the MakeOurOwnLaws troll. Wink

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 23/01/2019 00:20

That is a truely cracking site sleight

Next time dh’s cousin likes some Brexiter bullshit on Facebook (it’s not if it’s when) I’m sending her that link.

PestymcPestFace · 23/01/2019 00:22

The EU had offered to bend a lot of rules in order for our transition out to be as pain free as possible.

However, we have taken the piss rather too much. Expect to see them play hard ball and enforce every third country rule going.

Icantreachthepretzels · 23/01/2019 00:28

Pets at Home to stockpile £8million in pet food amid fears of hard Brexit
More than 17% of the chain's current supplies come from outside the UK - which could come to a standstill in March

Knowing that pet food and bedding was hardly going to be anybody's priority after Armageddon, I have thankfully been stockpiling for my bunnies since the summer. But last week the local pets at home was already really low on supplies. I wasn't able to buy and food for them. It had been patchy just after xmas as well. I resolved to up my prep - whereas I've just been buying two every time I needed one - one to use one to stockpile - I'm now going to try and go every week.

I can handle shortages and going hungry - but how the hell am I meant to explain brexit to my bunnies?

SleightOfMind · 23/01/2019 00:30

I felt saddened to my bones after reading it though. It really tells a story.
We’ve been a thorn in the side of the EU for so long Sad

Hazardswans · 23/01/2019 00:32

Response from petition if you can't be arsed to read it's blah blah blah, we're not going to tell you what medicines are stockpiled by private firms and blah blah blah medicines are first priority.

I want to see a list of meds and how will they be getting in and whose responsibility it is.

I just hate people.

Blah blah blah....

The Government has responded to the petition you signed – “Stop Brexit if supplies of vital medication can't be guaranteed.”.

Government responded:

Government is working with pharmaceutical companies, the MHRA and the NHS to ensure the supply of critical medicines so that patients continue to receive the high standards of care that they expect.

The UK will be leaving the EU in March 2019. Given this the Government is working with key stakeholders to ensure the supply of critical medicines, so patients continue to receive high standards of care.

On issues of patient safety and public health the UK will be, as it always has been, a willing and reliable partner for Europe. It is in all our interests to ensure a continued and undisrupted supply of medicine to the UK and safeguarding patients’ interests for all scenarios.

The UK will be leaving the EU on 29 March 2019. Delivering the settlement negotiated with the EU remains our top priority and is the best way of avoiding a no deal scenario. However, until MPs have voted to approve the Withdrawal Agreement, we will continue to do the responsible thing and prepare proportionately for every eventuality, including a ‘no deal’ scenario.

In August 2018, the Department wrote to all pharmaceutical companies that supply prescription only medicines and pharmacy medicines to the UK that come from, or via, the European Union (EU) or European Economic Area (EEA) asking them to ensure a minimum of six weeks additional supply in the UK, over and above existing business-as-usual buffer stocks, by 29 March 2019.

Since then we have received very good engagement from industry who share our aims of ensuring continuity of medicines supply for patients is maintained and able to cope with any potential delays at the border that may arise in the short term in the event of a ‘no deal’ EU exit.

The six-week stockpiling activities still remain a critical part of our contingency plans, however this is now being supplemented with additional actions to reflect the updated border disruption assumptions.

Therefore, in December 2018, we wrote to pharmaceutical companies that supply licensed medicines to the UK from or via the EU/EEA, and/or manufacture medicines in the UK, informing them of the updated border planning assumptions and asking them about their current transportation routes and their ability to re-route their supply chains if they currently rely on Dover and/or Folkestone.

The Department is aware that industry will need guidance to put arrangements in place to reroute supplies and we will continue to work closely with them to maintain the continuity of medicine supply in the event of a ‘no deal’ EU exit.

The Government recognises the vital importance of medicines and medical products and is working to ensure that there is sufficient roll-on, roll-off freight capacity to enable these vital products to continue to move freely in to the UK. The Government has also agreed that medicines and medical products will be prioritised on these alternative routes to ensure that the flow of all these products will continue unimpeded after 29 March 2019.

The public can have confidence in the Government’s plans for continuity of medicines supply in the event of a ‘no deal’ scenario.

We understand that all medicines, including insulin, are vitally important to people in this country and we continue working closely with companies to ensure that supplies of medicines are sufficient to cope with any potential short term delays at the border, in the event that there is ‘no deal’.

Department for Exiting the European Union

Click this link to view the response online:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/228631?reveal_response=yes

The Petitions Committee will take a look at this petition and its response. They can press the government for action and gather evidence. If this petition reaches 100,000 signatures, the Committee will consider it for a debate.

The Committee is made up of 11 MPs, from political parties in government and in opposition. It is entirely independent of the Government. Find out more about the Committee: petition.parliament.uk/help#petitions-committee

Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament

BigChocFrenzy · 23/01/2019 00:35

Farage's new racist party

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/22/farage-ally-black-men-are-violent-due-to-high-testosterone

A former Ukip activist who is partnering with Nigel Faragee^ in launching a new pro-Brexit political party has argued
crime and fatherlessness among black men are due to high testosterone levels,

and suggested their lower academic achievement could have a biological basis.

Catherine Blaiklock has also expressed concern about “Muslim enclaves”
and said food banks should be abolished as they create a “dependent, obese population”.

< worries about mrsr8's blood pressure >

Hazardswans · 23/01/2019 00:43

bigchoc Oh FFS someone tell the new ukip to PISS OFF. Do they also think tap water turns people gay? That was another batshite theory from ukipers.

Anyway... big choc can you post the write up for the Ivan Rogers video if you see it? YouTube is being annoying. Ta.

BigChocFrenzy · 23/01/2019 00:45

Mark Stone@Stone_SkyNews

The Irish government just released this statement which acknowledges

“We are under no illusions about how challenging that [maintaining no border under a ‘no deal’] would be.”

< Very plain talking - exasperated ? - for an offical Irish govt release talking about UK govt:
"we should keep the focus where it needs to be and that is Westminster deciding what it wants" >

Westminstenders: Red Squirrels are British. Groundhogs are not.
Quietrebel · 23/01/2019 00:58

It's all kicking off on aibu

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 23/01/2019 01:31

Sleight Thank you so much for sharing that.

Hazard - the response to that petition Angry When are they going to face up to their responsibilities?

Sos Your DGD sounds amazing. DH and I both worked for many years in publishing. Kindles have their place (Amazon though Hmm) but I’m with your DGD on the whole holding a real book thing.

Red you mentioned stockpiling books a thread (or two) back. I’d love to see some must-haves for the bookshelf recommended by

Westministenders.

Just a few I’d start with:
Fahrenheit 451- Ray Bradbury (wonder what made me think of that one Hmm
The Little Prince - Antoine de Saint Exupery
The Colour Purple - Alice Walker
The Secret Diary of Adrian Mole - Sue Townsend
Great Expectations (in fact, pretty much all Dickens)
Anne of Green Gables - LM Montgomery
Making Cocoa for Kingsley Amis - Wendy Cope

Oh, shut up Babooshka. I could go on all night but will spare you!

Would love to hear more suggestions.

Icantreachthepretzels · 23/01/2019 01:33

late night thread - late night trolls. I wonder if it will have gone poof by the morning?

Icantreachthepretzels · 23/01/2019 01:39

To kill a Mocking Bird - Harper Lee
The whole Bronte oeuvre
The once and future king - T.H White
Lord of the Flies - William Golding
1984 - George Orwell
Blandings castle - P.G. Wodehouse
the Narnia series
Harry Potter
Discworld

Quietrebel · 23/01/2019 01:40

@singing

I'd add
Brave New World- Aldous Huxley
Great Expectations- Charles Dickens
Waiting for Godot- Samuel Beckett
The Chronicles of Narnia- CS Lewis

Quietrebel · 23/01/2019 01:41

And the complete works of Shakespeare (esp the tragedies)

freezinguplands · 23/01/2019 01:48

I'm in the US and was chatting to my hairdresser, she is from Belarus. She brings up the subject of Brexit and says the UK looks like a mess.
She says that although US news makes no comment on it it is all over the Russian TV, RT, that she watches.

thecatfromjapan · 23/01/2019 03:17

💐

mathanxiety · 23/01/2019 05:24

For the booklist:
'Reflections on the Revolution in France' Burke

'The Origins of Totalitarianism'
and the essay 'On the Nature of Totalitarianism' hs.umt.edu/ghr/documents/152ArendtOnTheNatureofTotalitarianismAnEssayinUnderstanding-Copy.pdf
'Eichmann in Jerusalem'
'On Revolution'
'Between Past and Future'
'Crises of the Republic'
Arendt

borntobequiet · 23/01/2019 05:42

Catch-22 has many helpful parallels

Plonkysaurus · 23/01/2019 05:55

From the list of EU rules the UK voted against, this one really stood out:

EU: posted workers must be given the same pay and conditions as local workers.

Bit inconvenient, that one. If anything proves it's Britain that's the problem, it's that.

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