Why didn't we get facts like this in advance?

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HMRC projects additional Brexit red tape will cost UK businesses £6.5 billion/year. NHS estimates cost of satisfying new visa requirements on behalf of staff at £490 million/year.
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That's nearly £7 billion in annual Brexit costs, or close to the £9 billion we pay as EU members!*

Why wasn't the homework done so we could have known things like this in advance?

assuming it's true

The new shipping manager you will need will need a decent salary as they will need to speak the languages or at least be able to translate, all foreign import and export documents. This may have legal implications if they 'balls up' as HMRC and the equivalents in other countries aren't known for being kind and generous. You can't get the 'tea boy' on this job.

You can diverge by trading with different countries while in the EU.

What exactly is the EU stopping you from doing?

There is no such thing as a managed no deal. Can you be absolutely sure that every step of the way will be absolutely fine and everyone will do what works for you and you won't incur extra costs to your business and your legal situation in case of a problem is totally in place. No? Then you need to make contingencies. Don't know about your business and obviously I hope it is successful- your success is our success- but if you don't have the reserves to weather even a little bump, you are potentially in trouble. Business does operate on confidence but it also operates on cash flow.

{But I operate in the real world where arrangements are made and people co-operate. }
NO NO NO!
If you are trading legally now, you are within an EU 'bubble'. All the trade agreements the UK has with the EU and all it's individual countries are harmonised in a Free Trade Area. It is 'transparent' for the likes of you and me because the bulk of the hard work is done for us by the agreements.
Leaving RIPS UP all the agreements, so your activities will be the same as dealing with Ghana or Zimbabwe, you are back at the bottom, and worse trading with countries that already have ''deals' with others. For 5, probably more years the UK will have fallen off the table and will be scrabbling around on the floor having to do everything form 'first principles'.
Nicey nicey 'friends' way of trading will be gone, there are laws preventing it (the WTO).
I buy bits for my activity and on the invoice is a long number relating to the item which signifies where it was made, what standards it conforms to for safety etc, and who certified it. Some of the parts cost a fraction of a penny, but everything is classified in this way.
Bolts for aeroplanes take this a whole lot further and the source of the metal, who processed it, time date etc is all recorded. If there is an air crash, investigators can work out which component failed, down to the last bolt, and can probably tell you which day time and machine that bolt was made on.

Despite the delusions of grandeur the UK is a pissy little island that is losing the plot.

Wow. Why do you care so much about the future of a "pissy little island"?

The horrendous fire of Grenfell Tower was identified to have started by a loose connection on an electrical terminal.
Authorities would be able to identify who did not originally make it tight enough.

I would love to have stayed in the UK and grown my business but Brexit will kill it

Really? You would have liked to have stayed and grown your business on this " pissy little island"? Why, if it so pissy and little?

{Wow. Why do you care so much about the future of a "pissy little island"?}
Probably because I want everyone to prosper as much as possible?
You do have to appreciate that some things can never happen though.
Deliberately making life harder for ANYONE is despicable.

The U.k is little - relatively.
The U.K. is an island.

And at the moment 'pissy' just about sums us up.

Sometimes you have to be honest with yourself.

{Really? You would have liked to have stayed and grown your business on this " pissy little island"? Why, if it so pissy and little?}
Not that it is any of your business I have always worked with others from around the world. Staying in Britain that is attempting to be isolationist is not good for me.

Can you give us a hint about where you do live and what nationality you are LeClerc?
Nothing identifying of course but I'm intrigued.

What did the LandRoverJaguar exec say the other day?
29,000 parts to make one of their cars.
The idea they could stockpile everything to deal with border friction, or very quickly easily switch to other world suppliers, and be assured of quality & timely delivery & good price, was laughable. They don't have room in their profit margins to do all that faffing.

So, millyonth is making these woolen dolls.
You will need insurance to sell them as someone's child, although failing to set it alight, has choked on a bit that came off. Insurance within the EU is relatively easy, European insurers will do this no problem.
When you leave, you will have to have insurance in all countries you sell in, and in turn they will need certificates for the production of your dolls that are valid in ALL countries. It all starts to get a bit complicated.
But hey, leave with no deal and all will be easy.

I am British, or as Mrs May has now decreed, a 'citizen of nowhere'.

Lljkk- did you miss the report that Boris told the press he knew more about the Car industry than the boss of LRJ? He thinks it will be OK so......

"F&*% business!" and all that. :(

Can no body tell me what we can do and who we trade with when we leave the EU that we can do now?

The UK will be able to trade with whoever it wants to after it leaves.
The only real issue is that is highly likely that it will be so expensive to do this that the UK will have great difficulty selling anything unless it's workers work for almost nothing as unless it manages to get some deals going that are BETTER than through the EU, by a decent margin it will lose.
In terms of costs they will have to undercut the likes of China, India and Bangladesh.

The UK is planning on going on a nice country walk (hurray!) but is starting off by breaking it's own leg (BOO!).

the report that Boris told the press he knew more about the Car industry than the boss of LRJ?

When I ran my DFs garage, we had customers (or the fathers of customers ...) like that all the time. They'd bring the car in needing (say) a cambelt changing. Back then at least 2 hours labour @ £25/hour, plus the cambelt, plus anything that might need replacing on the way.

Plus VAT.

£100 would have been a fair price depending on car.

But no ... mr know-it-all would wave expansively at the engine and tell you that you only needed to this and that and it would take no time, and really the garage should be paying the customer, since it was such an easy job.

If they were really stupid, they'd tell you that any other garage would "do it for a tenner", which was the signal for my DF to drop the bonnet, and tell them to go there instead.

Part of the skill of business, is not just getting the customers in, but turning away the customers that cost you money. Something insurers are very aware of. When you use an aggregator to get a quote, your personal details are sprayed around various agencies to price up your risk. Which is why some customers can't get quotes.

cambelts were a good one, because if one fails it can be spectacular.
As a customer who decided to "leave it and see what happens" found out on a German autobahn at 120mph.

{cambelts were a good one, because if one fails it can be spectacular.}
A woodruff key failure does the same thing!

Yes, Boris! I bet that went down well in Coventry:
www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/jlr-boris-johnson-ralph-speth-15676782
www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-claims-to-know-more-about-car-manufacturing-than-jaguar-land-rover-boss-ralf-speth-a4037766.html

A woodruff key failure does the same thing

True. But in my (admittedly limited) experience there's no manufacturer recommended requirement to replace a woodruff key on the cam/crankshaft.

Cambelts ("Belt of teeth" in Italian ) used to need changing every 36,000 miles. I think they've really improved them now - no car I've had since 2000 has ever reached needing a cambelt.

I think engine design has also removed the risk - the valve geometry doesn't interfere with the pistons movement on some "new" cars.

frumpety
Clavinova I read the link, are you disputing the figures ( I agree they are somewhat speculative due to lack of clarity) or the fact that they have been presented simply as Brexit related?

Both, obviously.

Moussemoose
clavinova
Federal is used by Brexit supporters to mean central control and all states being treated the same. If is used to imply uniformity.
This is to totally misunderstand the concept

Not said by me - I perfectly understand the concept, but how does a Federal Europe help the UK?

Federalism means that a country or organisation is structured to give most power at the local level. Decisions can therefore be taken locally allowing for local variation and local control. Therefore in the US power is distributed away from the centre to the individual states

Which is why I said;
the poorest states in the US are still dirt poor, the inequalities still there, even with a federal government

The poorest countries in the EU ( e.g. Bulgaria and Romania) and the countries likely to join (e.g. Albania and Macedonia) will still be the poorest countries in a Federal Europe and FOM will still apply.

I live on the outskirts of London - 30% of the homeless in London are EU citizens.

jasjas1973

News channels stating there are already shortages of painkillers and antidepressants.. when will you people wake up???

Lots of possible reasons given for drug shortages here;
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-46843631

80 medicines in such short supply that the Department of Health has agreed to pay a premium for them - however, the worst month was November 2017 (91 drugs on the list) - obviously not Brexit related for that month.
Warwick Smith, director general of the British Generic Manufacturers Association, says stock levels can fluctuate.
"It's normal for levels of availability to increase and decrease, which impacts prices," he adds.

will still be the poorest countries in a Federal Europe
Will still be the poorest states.