Westminstenders: Plan B is Plan A again.

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The voting starts around 7pm and is expected to finish up between 8pm and 8.20pm.

May is expected to lose. The question is by how much.

We are then expecting an immediate motion of no confidence in the government by Labour to be put forward.

May is expected to make a speech to calm the markets and then go to Brussels for an utterly pointless visit.

The Labour No Confidence is expected tomorrow afternoon after PMQs. Its expected to fail.

We move no closer to a resolution and ever closer to no deal.

Half the Cabinet want to go into cross party talks. Half the Cabinet don't.

May is apparently insistent that Plan B is Plan A. Which is what you would expect her to tell the house to comply with Grieve IV. Which again is bollocks.

But Bercow could yet refuse to indulge it.

If Plan B is Plan A again, then what's Plan C?

Crisis with a Capital C.

The stalemate grows.

Well.
To borrow a phrase from David Allen Green

JC had no choice but call a vote of no confidence.

Thanks. New (ish) to politics and steep learning curve.

I'm a remainer with my fingers crossed for article 50 being revoked.

Halloumi - I have no sympathy for her. She chose to become PM. She put in the red lines that made this Brexit Deal toxic.

If you haven't seen it yet, Google "Yellow Jacket Lady" from last week's QT, who doesn't miss and hit the wall about why she had zero sympathy for May.

Pretty much articulated much of what has been said on these threads over the last couple of years

Do the SNP not understand the meaning of a point of order

Fuck me.

I won both bets.

But fuck me.

Also wish i put on more than a fiver each...

Just....

Argh

Sammy Wilson of DUP on C4 is delusional

If JC loses a NCV-then what?!

Place marking

What has just occurred to me is that it would have been a better outcome if we had just rolled a dice after the referendum.

1 = no deal
2 = Norway
3 = take as advisory only and don't leave
Etc

Even if it had landed on the worst scenario (no deal), we'd be two years into preparing for it and a fuck load better off than we are now.

When your Government can be replaced by a roll of a dice with a better outcome there's something seriously wrong.

No it won’t win but he had to call it and I am so pleased that he did so immediately. At last.

Well, UK Politics is at least exciting...now we'll have a flurry of powerplays and process - although my 'sensible-head' preferred a vote for WA - my instictive reaction was to reject it.

I'm cool with it.

Apparently under no deal we can have the same relationship with the EU as we have with America

Interesting quotes here

I agree with Geoffrey Cox - it's not a game, this is real life

If only those who voted against the WA put forward their alternatives. But no, all soundbytes. All talk and no substance.

The pairing system is a disaster too. Awful stuff.

Can we argue that parliament has “taken back control” and decided against Brexit yet? Or is the government losing by 230 somehow not democratically significant?

Jean-Claude Juncker
@JunckerEU
I take note with regret of the outcome of the vote in the
@HouseofCommons
this evening. I urge the #UK to clarify its intentions as soon as possible. Time is almost up #Brexit

(link: europa.eu/rapid/press-release_STATEMENT-19-432_en.htm )

Sammy Wilson of DUP on Channel 4 is delusional.

Nothing new there.

Quite like Joanna Cherry. Pity she wasn't louder at the end - Northern Ireland voted to remain.

Small aside but I wish the bbc hadn't had Farage in the studio with his stupid angry frog face. The media's excitement at Farage (surprise, surprise) happiness to appear on tv all the time in the last xx number of years and having him on, frequently unopposed, has helped lead us to this massive shit show.

Where can we see who voted which way?

Ok the Baron Amendment 24 were:

Adam Afriyie, David Amess, John Baron, Bob Blackman, Graham Brady, Chris Davies, Frank Field, Greg Hands, Simon Hart, John Hayes
Gordon Henderson, Caroline Johnson, Edward Leigh, Ian Liddell-Grainger, Stephen Metcalfe, Dr Andrew Murrison, Neil Parish, Andrew Percy, Andrew Rosindell, Julian Sturdy, Martin Vickers, Giles Watling, Bill Wiggin, Mike Wood.

(All Con bar Frank Field)

The Final Vote by Party
AYES
Con 196, Lab 3, Indep 3

NOES
Labour 248, SNP 35, Indep 5, Con 118, DUP 10, Plaid 4, LD 11, Green 1

If only those who voted against the WA put forward their alternatives. But no, all soundbytes. All talk and no substance. Exactly

Very good point umpteen

Scary, too

From the OP: Half the Cabinet want to go into cross party talks. Half the Cabinet don't.

The day after the referendum I said that they should set up a cross-party commission to develop options for Brexit. I was right then, but it feels like too little, too late now

I am jumping on the ‘ we love Bercow Bandwaggon’