Can we have a list of all the things we will be able to do once outside the E.U. that we can’t do now

[Bearbehind]

With 11 weeks to go this should be easy but it’s clear from other threads that people still think things that have nothing to do with the E.U. will change when we leave.

Can we have a list of tangible positive things that can only happen by leaving.

Has anyone mentioned the money laundering and tax havens that we won't have to scrap?
I know that only affects a tiny percentage, but it is an important benefit for that tiny percentage.
I expect they'll probably from the sell-off of the UK and its citizens, too.

Oh, and we won't have to endure the shame of Nigel Farage representing us (or not!) in Brussels.

Isn’t it horrifying that there hasn’t been one valid example yet?

A positive one that is.

Foreign companies running the railway is not the fault of the EU. Milly, you are getting muddled. You see things which you would like to change and think leaving the EU is the answer when most of the things you mention has nothing to do with the EU. You want to work towards a change in the Uk government not leaving the EU.

{The point is that the EU can control how we run our railways}
With Grayling in charge what could go wrong.
More seriously, most of the railways and buses (AVIVA) are European owned. So in a way they ARE European, but not EU controlled. The UK government (Tories) sold these industries, like many others, to whoever, rather than retaining control.
Power production to EDF for example, some water companies too.
The UK 'silverware' cupboard is pretty empty as privatisation was/is the name of the game. Strangely, most of Europe has less of an issue, so what is the UK doing wrong?

The irony is that you have the government proposing that leaving the EU will make Britain great again but carefully ignoring the fact that all the money and means to do this are ENTIRELY in governments hands.
All the wonderful changes that 'leavers' wanted could have been achieved easily 35 years ago or more.

Can't think of anything positive Bear

Blue passports - each EU country chooses their own colour. We chose the present colour.

Our 'privatised railways - mostly owned by German and Dutch (national) railways.

ECHR - a British invention.

You see things which you would like to change and think leaving the EU is the answer when most of the things you mention has nothing to do with the EU. You want to work towards a change in the Uk government not leaving the EU.

Exactly this.

The EU is viewed as a safeguard for workers’ right, but it isn’t actually always the case. In the Woolworths’ case, looking st compensation on redundancy when the company went into administration, the UK Employment Appeals Tribunal agreed that the workers should receive compensation but was overruled by the ECJ. See attached, noting that it’s written as “good news for employers” which typically means “bad news for workers”.

It’s a very naive, black and white view to say “EU law good, UK law bad” in this respect. Particularly as the UK was actually at the forefront of a lot of the EU’s employment rights legislation. And a lot of our current legislation (eg maternity rights) is far more generous than required by EU law, so the government could, if wanted, have reduced it at any stage and still complied with His EU law in any event. But that doesn’t fit with anti-Brexit rhetoric so it’s easier to ignore as people get whipped into a frenzy of panic over losing rights.

www.personneltoday.com/hr/woolworths-redundancy-case-six-years-clarity-last/

The EU isn't perfect but is better than a no deal Brexit.

People have been forced into opposing trenches because saying "the EU does face some systemic problems" becomes you admitting it is the font of all evil.

We have been forced to make stands and nuance has been lost.

The EU is not perfect but rather than spending 2 years working towards improving the EU we have been busy pissing away our international credibility.

I am quite certain that the UK will manage to run a terrible rail service whether they are nationalised or not. The current rail set-up is shit. British Rail were also shit.

I have travelled by train in several European countries. In most countries, they manage to run reliable, reasonably-priced train services. Some are state-run, some are privately run, others operate a state national railway and private local railways. They all manage to do this while being part of the EU.

The UK railway problems are entirely down to the UK.

You want to work towards a change in the Uk government not leaving the EU.

You can't when both major UK parties are pro-EU and slavishly accept whatever the EU proposes/instructs.

What we've needed is an anti-EU party, and that's exactly what we got with UKIP which threatened the main parties, helped cause the useless/ridiculous Tory/Libdem coalition and needed to be neutralised by the main parties, hence why Cameron gave the referendum, never imagining that Brexit would win.

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Most of the contributors to this thread who are in favour of remaining are well aware that the EU is not perfect and happy to say so. There will always be a situation of 'win most lose some' which is the nature of the beast. The UK staying in the EU would have helped reforming legislation which will be altered as the EU morphs into different shapes.
Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is a short sighted way to proceed, particularly as the UK has no obvious 'bigger sibling' to cosy up to, which is essential in a world full of gnashing teeth.

You can't when both major UK parties are pro-EU and slavishly accept whatever the EU proposes/instructs.

Could you name 3 things we have ‘slavishly accepted’ that we wouldn’t otherwise have done?

The UK railway problems are entirely down to the UK.

Exactly, the botched pretend-privatisation was very badly designed. We don't have a privatised railway and we don't have a nationalised one - it's a hybrid still controlled by the government.

We have train operating companies such as Arriva and Virgin who don't own the trains, don't own the track, don't own the stations, don't have freedom to choose routes, don't have freedom to chose times, don't have freedom over prices, have to share ticket revenue by a formula outside their control, and don't even have freedom to choose what kind of trains to rent. How can that be privatised? It's basically still state controlled, but like the NHS PFI fiascos, is financed off-balance-sheet to avoid the country debt/deficit rising even higher.

I'm not an EU fan, but trying to blame the EU for the state of the UK railways is simply ridiculous - the UK politicians of both major parties have beggared up the UK railway system themselves without EU help nor hindrance.

Then we will vote the Conservatives out.

Not that simple. Thatcher had a few tricks up her sleeve to keep power, the poll tax made a lot of people not register to vote. Then her nice little twist that suddenly South Africans with a British grandparent could vote in UK elections, and who was the only person defending apartheid?

Incidentally in the EU referendum any commonwealth citizen who happened to be in the UK on eg a working holiday visa had a vote. EU citizens (with a few exceptions) didn't.

By the end of WW2 the allies had trashed most of Europe's railways so using a staggering amount of money borrowed from the USA they rebuilt using modern diesel and electric trains.
Meanwhile the UK government, who also borrowed staggering amounts of money from the USA used a fair chunk of it to maintain it's influence in the 'colonies' and put a few sticking plasters on the UK railway network which was knackered and still used mostly steam trains.
Thus ensuring Europe got something worthwhile post war and the UK kept a failing network starved of proper oversight and investment.

Negotiating trade deals will be easier.

Doubt it. We have a limited pool of negotiators and 750 agreements to replace. At the rate of 1 per week that would still takes us 15 years.

And also from Nicole Badstuber, researcher in urban transport governance at the London School of Economics and UCL:

Other European nations demonstrate how Britain could take the railways back into the public sector while abiding by EU rail rules. There are two main adopted models. The first is two separate state-owned companies (one for track, one for trains), which is used in Spain and the Netherlands.

The second uses separate companies within a state-owned group of companies (a parent company with a subsidiary company for infrastructure, and others for different train services). This is the model used in Germany and Italy.

theconversation.com/amp/renationalising-britains-railways-eu-law-not-a-barrier-96759

"do what you like with people's personal data"
Nope. We will have to get what's called "adequacy" which means we will have to process personal data in a way that is ok with EU if we want to trade with the EU. Everyone outside the EU tries to get adequacy if they can. Following the GDPR which is already part of UK law will be a start.
For nerds, we had data protection law in the UK before they had it in the EU. EU followed us rather than the other way around.

{For nerds, we had data protection law in the UK before they had it in the EU. EU followed us rather than the other way around.}
Damn foreigners stealing our laws and ideas!

"Negotiating trade deals will be easier."
Again, nope. Anyone who had a trade deal with the EU already has to give third party countries worse terms than they give the EU.
We may well find it easy getting new trade deals but they will be worse than what we have now.

I totally agree —1tisILeClerc—, but hysterical comments like “Say goodbye to: annual leave, maternity pay, childcare/dependants leave, statuatory redundancy, working time regulations......” reduce the debate to “EU good, UK bad”, which is spectacularly unhelpful.

Nb- I know that wasn’t your comment, it’s an example from earlier in the thread which prompted my “frenzy of panic” comment

Voting the Tories out can definitely be done within the EU

I'm a remainer but my Brexiteer husband reckons we will be able to remove the limit on vacuum cleaner wattage and bring back tungsten light bulbs.

Sure it'll be worth it!