Can we have a list of all the things we will be able to do once outside the E.U. that we can’t do now

[Bearbehind]

With 11 weeks to go this should be easy but it’s clear from other threads that people still think things that have nothing to do with the E.U. will change when we leave.

Can we have a list of tangible positive things that can only happen by leaving.

Shall we also point out that Nissan is 40% owned by Renault ( with Nissan owning 10% of Renault), and 5% of Renault is owned by the French government?

Remainers are doing exactly what leavers are accused of - misleading and exaggerating in order to strengthen your argument
As people have said, many workers rights, as given by the UK government, are better than those legislated by the EU. There are pros and cons on each side - staying is not all beneficial either

Don't personally see that on here or anywhere else but you cannot keep mixing up UK issues and dumping them on to the EU when it suits you.
The conditions that are above the EU ones, were set a long time ago, i believe paid holidays/maternity rights being the main ones.

ECJ ruling on part time workers joining pension schemes was something uk employers took to the wire!

Logic suggests that in order to compete with a high standards trading bloc, the UK will need to reduce costs, employees are the most expensive fixed cost in most industries and the easiest to reduce.

So wages and conditions will have to fall, as my Director said to me a while back "make the most of the WTD, because it will be the first to go"
The Open Europe think-tank has listed it as the third most costly EU regulation......

Weetabixandshreddies
You should know that in the UK voting is 'secret' in that no one has to disclose which way they vote.
In the referendum I voted remain, as at that time it WAS the best option.
Since then there has been 2 1/2 years of lying, disrespect by cabinet MPs towards EU leaders and other heads of government.
2 1/2 years on the UK government still haven't a bloody clue what a 'Brexit' even is, there are multiple versions.
You have already stated that you want UK MEPs to be disruptive.
Maybe you would be happy for representatives of the USA to be involved in UK policy and to dismantle the welfare state completely?
The ownership is not particularly significant as it is the access to the rest of the EU that is important. 10% hike in costs, possibly more will kill off all profit, making it unsustainable to stay in the UK.
Job losses and credit squeezing will further the demand for new vehicles in the UK too, it is a downward spiral, unless weetabixandshreddies can think of a brilliant new plan.

The ECJ and EU are separate entities of course. The UK is leaving the EU.

1tisILeClerc

You don't need to declare who you vote for - it is very obvious from your posts.

Just a bit hypocritical to blame leave voters though when it was Conservative voters who allowed the process to start, and continue, in the first place.

I don't think anything can be guaranteed. Companies will go to where it best suits them. If it becomes more profitable for Nissan to move then they will. EU or no EU.

weetabix you are wilfully ignoring the facts that do not suit you.

Nissan needs frictionless access to the rest of the E.U. because of its business model.

If we stay in the EU it has that.

If we leave it does not.

There is nothing remotely contentious about that - it is fact.

So whether we stay in the EU or not does directly affect how viable Nissans plant in Sunderland is in the future.

Unless, logistics make it easier to relocate to mainland Europe whether we stay in or out.

Given that it seems that remainers have succeeded in disrupting democracy what are your ideas for dealing with the fallout? You've got what you wanted, at least temporarily, although I imagine that the uncertainty that this has created is going to affect the UK very badly so, you've got what you wanted, now what?

{Given that it seems that remainers have succeeded in disrupting democracy what are your ideas for dealing with the fallout?}
What utter bollocks!
Leave politicians, Farage, the ERG have been shown to have lied and overspent in the campaigns and you are accusing 'Remainers' of disrupting democracy. It is only because Mrs May has refused to push inquiries forward and worse has suppressed some that the extent of the lying and manipulation has not been revealed yet.
If anyone voted Leave, they are entirely responsible for this massive mess.
Had remain 'won' there would have been a blip or two in the stock markets and a bit of nervousness. The Leave win means that billions are being spent in preparations for extra customs, new infrastructure, it is decimating the finance and manufacturing industry and you want to blame 'remainers'.

Had people followed Cameron's advice in the expensive leaflets posted through all households, he was saying it is better to Remain in Europe.

Had people followed Cameron's advice in the expensive leaflets posted through all households, he was saying it is better to Remain in Europe.

Had Cameron thought about the implications of what he was doing then he wouldn't have offered the referendum.

People shouldn't have voted Tory if they didn't want a referendum.

And Cameron should have fought a much better remain campaign rather than a popularity contest.

And once the referendum result was known no way should any government have triggered A50 until they were absolutely prepared for which was to come.

This is just shambolic.

We it turns out that some of us get to apply and pay for visas to live and work in the country we've lived in for 15 years. Whereas before we couldn't. So yeah, thanks for that. Twats.

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People shouldn't have voted Tory if they didn't want a referendum.

Then we'd have had more UKIP mps, potentially giving them the power to form a coalition government, presumably with whichever party promised EU reform or a referendum!

The referendum was only promised to try to stop the growth of UKIP who were taking votes from both main parties.

it isn't EU membership that is responsible for industrial decline in the UK.

Maybe, maybe not, but try telling that to people who worked their whole lives building trains, only to find themselves redundant and modern trains being imported.

{Maybe, maybe not, but try telling that to people who worked their whole lives building trains, only to find themselves redundant and modern trains being imported.}
The failure of companies to invest and retrain is nothing to do with the EU. In fact Germany has continuous training programs to keep workers on top of the game. It is expensive but ultimately it pays dividends as you have higher skilled and motivated workers.
If Germany can do it, why can't the UK?
The 'Me, Me, Me attitude of too many in the UK, the expectation of handouts etc is going to bite very hard. The UK is about to find out how 'non special' it is.

"Maybe, maybe not, but try telling that to people who worked their whole lives building trains, only to find themselves redundant and modern trains being imported."

I would tell them that,. the UK train building industry decline has nothing to do with the EU. In fact underinvestment has meant that new train technology invented in the UK was actually bought by the Germans, UK firms didn't want to invest long term.

Sorry. The truth hurts but its true.

If Germany can do it, why can't the UK?
The 'Me, Me, Me attitude of too many in the UK, the expectation of handouts etc is going to bite very hard. The UK is about to find out how 'non special' it is.

Why are you blaming the individuals within a state for the mistakes made by the State, who eroded opportunities for further learning and other training opportunities that would have engineered the workforce with a view to job opportunities?

People shouldn't have voted Tory if they didn't want a referendum.

I dint think many people had any interest in the EU until DC brought the referendum.
There was plenty of other things in the manifesto and people voted for that first.
Also worth remembering that a lot of stuff from the manifesto hasn’t been implemented (like it always is anyway). So he didntbreally have to do it. Except he did. Not because of the pressure from people who voted for him. But because of internal pressure and the struggles he had to keep the Conservative party united enough. He thought Remain wouod win so that was an easy way to silence those who wanted to leave. He was wrong.

Maybe, maybe not, but try telling that to people who worked their whole lives building trains, only to find themselves redundant and modern trains being imported.

The fact those people choose to believe it’s the fault of the EU does not make it true.

They need to wake up to realty.

We can manage immigration to suit our countries needs

No - you can't. Those countries Theresa May was dancing in to beg for trade deals, won't bother to trade if their citizens can't get Visas in return.

& they'll get Visas, meanwhile Tories will still get away with doing f all to help their own, whilst convincing you its all the fault of immigrants, not the government.

They need to wake up to realty.

What we need is some trust capital between the political classes and the people who voted for them. What we need is for politicians to be honest about what is happening, how it came to be, the fall out and the plan ahead and to do so in a way that is responsible and accountable.

They didn't sit in Kent and demand the coal came to them.

They didn't need to 1tisI - there was a Kent coalfield. No more of course.

17.4 Million who 'won' and have been so vocal about their superiority over the last 2 years have bugger all idea how to both undo the disaster they have created and make things 'better' than having stayed in the EU.
Having triggered A50, the Tories could have shown they had brilliant new ideas and actually put money into the NHS, did they? NO they have recently 'promised' some cake sometime in the future, sufficiently far enough away so people won't remember.
And we still have the likes of Weetabixandshreddies who have no idea HOW to get out of this mess and are now blaming those who voted remain for the mess THEY created. They also expect a government who doesn't giver a shit about them to suddenly make it 'right', having proven they won't over decades.

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OK, pinning a tail on a donkey I missed, Essex and Norfolk would be a better example, however as Kent coal would have been used primarily for heating rather than industry it is not too far off the mark.

{I just ask what has changed.}
Not much it seems.
Germany, France and Italy spent wisely and progressed. The UK didn't.
Let down by a delusional government again.