Can we have a list of all the things we will be able to do once outside the E.U. that we can’t do now

[Bearbehind]

With 11 weeks to go this should be easy but it’s clear from other threads that people still think things that have nothing to do with the E.U. will change when we leave.

Can we have a list of tangible positive things that can only happen by leaving.

We've seen the rise of zero hour contracts under EU membership. What protection has that given to workers? Virtually no rights with under 2 years employment - where was the protection of the ECJ when that was brought in?

Most EU countries outlaw zero hour contacts, or they are heavily restricted or not widely used. The UK is one of only around 6 European countries where zero hours contracts legal and common.

We’ve seen the rise of zero hour contracts under succesive right wing governments, particularly during austerity.

The ignorance of people in this country who blame the EU for failings of the U.K. government does my head in.

I'm questioning why posters are saying that the EU protects workers rights when clearly it doesn't because individual governments are free to introduce their own employment legislation.

So you’re complaining individual countries have too much sovereignty and EU regulation doesn’t go far enough.

{Ah well. Wouldn't worry too much about us left behind then if you've left already}
Well unlike you I do worry about all my friends wherever they are.

I do have friends in the Stoke region and some of their children have gone elsewhere to seek work, although not Romania as far as I know.

Didn't Norman Tebbitt tell people to get on their bikes and look for work? Except now we could substitute cheap flights for bikes.

@Perigrina, very famously, no he didn’t! So many people misquote him . Actually, this was a VERY good message for the times we find ourselves in though. Thanks for the reminder

www.dailymotion.com/video/x2ouixa

{Didn't Norman Tebbitt tell people to get on their bikes and look for work}
Yes I think it was him, and Mr Macron said something similar recently.
It is not exactly unreasonable to have to move for work.

So you’re complaining individual countries have too much sovereignty and EU regulation doesn’t go far enough.

No I'm saying don't say that the EU offers protections to workers that it doesn't provide.

Didn't Norman Tebbitt tell people to get on their bikes and look for work? Except now we could substitute cheap flights for bikes.

Exactly.

Mr Macron said the guy should cross the road for work.

Sorry wrong link, let me try that again

m.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_pDM1N7i0

It is not exactly unreasonable to have to move for work

If it's your choice then no it isn't unreasonable.

Should it be forced on people - no it shouldn't.

We can clearly see the results of fragmenting families - parents have no support, elderly people are isolated and left to fend for themselves because families live hundreds of miles away. Mobility might solve one problem but it contributes to many more.

No I'm saying don't say that the EU offers protections to workers that it doesn't provide.

You are effectively.

I can’t see where anyone has claimed the EU offers worker protection it doesn’t.

A poster said that workers have recourse to the ECJ if their rights are violated.

In reality though what rights do the EU protect for British citizens? What rights do we get from the EU as opposed to those given from the UK government?

Weetabix, I’m Irish so my extended family remember those signs in London, perhaps that’s where they got they got the idea ?

I have no idea. They specifically referred to tourism and a PP said that it was to do with global tourism I think.

The signs in London that you refer to were abhorrent and you would hope that the world would have moved on since then but maybe not?

A poster said that workers have recourse to the ECJ if their rights are violated.

Which is true.

What rights do we get from the EU as opposed to those given from the UK government?

Google is your friend.

Aah yes. The answer for people who can't answer.

You can't simultaneously state that the EU protects the rights of workers in the UK and that when we leave we will lose those protections and also say that any lack of rights is the fault of the UK government.

However, in homogeneous areas with limited outside influence poverty becomes self fulfilling.

And the people who have the get up and go, do just that and don't come back. I had my secondary education in N Staffs. I don't live there now, and haven't done for 40 years, and guess what - a good majority of the better educated ones didn't stick around either.

I am well aware incidentally that Norman Tebbitt was talking about his father getting on his bike and looking for work, and not rioting. He wasn't giving the example of his father because he was giving a funeral oration of what a good bloke he'd been, it's hair splitting to suggest that this wasn't what he was telling people to do now (at the time he was speaking).

I see there is another 'Why I voted Leave' thread with a supportive post already. Wonder why we're getting so many of these atm?

Oops, wrong thread!

I am a Leaver and I will not engage because of the nastiness and sarcasm on these threads.
And, Talkin, I voted Leave because of the EU not our government. I fully support our government and I also understand the issues.

@Bearbehind
Impossible because there is no tangible benefit. Even Mrs Thatcher has admitted we will be poorer for leaving.
There are those who blame the EU for anything that's unsatisfactory but it's usually nothing to do with the EU. And we will lose benefits such as Galileo because the ill-informed don't even know the good things we get from being in the EU.

Thatcher? I think you mean May, but it's a mistake I nearly make myself at times.

Mrs Thatcher will be turning in her grave with all the things going on in Parliament now - after all, the Single Market owes much of its inception to her. And when she went completely bat shit, her party did at least know how to get rid of her. Something which the Moggites failed to do with May.

What rights do we get from the EU as opposed to those given from the UK government?

One thing i've directly benefited from is the Working Time Directive, pre its introduction, workers and esp those who drive a car (rather than a van/lorry) as part of their job, could be forced to work & drive whatever hours their employer demanded.
Now an 11 hour break must be given in any 24hr work period and a 2 day break in any 14 days.

I suspect that the WTD will be one of the first to go via adding in more exclusions and a shorter min break.

I believe no deal planning includes cutting lorry drivers break periods, so they are doing it already, wont be them killed by a driver falling asleep.

Many people that I know (including me) have been pressured to opt out of WTD though. Admittedly we aren't lorry drivers though 1 drives as part of there job and some jobs are exempt anyway so yes it's a good thing but only if enforced and with recourse for those affected if not.

Given that with under 2 years service UK allows workers to be sacked for no reason that pretty much removes any rights for new employees.

Weetabix

You appear quite confused, you moan that the EU doesn't do enough for UK workers (whilst complaining they take our sovereignty) but on the other hand you want to leave the EU and give sole control to UK governments, which are the very ones which have watered down our rights either directly or seeking opt outs from EU rules.

{If it's your choice then no it isn't unreasonable.
Should it be forced on people - no it shouldn't.}

If an area's major employer closes, why should the former employees EXPECT something else to be put in it's place. You move to where there is more work, or create it yourself.

{I am a Leaver and I will not engage because of the nastiness and sarcasm on these threads. }
And like most leave voters have failed to think of ant practical activity that the UK can do STARTING March 30th this year to replace the jobs of the million or more that will lose them.
Sitting on your hands for 7 years or more while trade deals get underway won't cut it.
Taking control also means taking responsibility for yourself.