Can we have a list of all the things we will be able to do once outside the E.U. that we can’t do now

[Bearbehind]

With 11 weeks to go this should be easy but it’s clear from other threads that people still think things that have nothing to do with the E.U. will change when we leave.

Can we have a list of tangible positive things that can only happen by leaving.

and then please can we address the appalling state of our UK by electing a better UK government.
Who do you suggest?
As none of the UK governments for the last 30 years have given a shit about the poor.
What will make them start now?

I'm an eternal optimist. One day, one day...

Chaos capitalism as exposed by Brexiteers is all about removing rights and protection.

The fig leaf of protection U.K. workers have will be removed. That is what Brexit is all about.

In the US the federal employees who are locked out and not being paid are not able to legally strike. Is that what we want? The government can treat you anyway it wants and you have no recourse?

notonthebench
I'm an eternal optimist. One day, one day...
Not in your lifetime then ....

The government can treat you anyway it wants and you have no recourse?

Realistically what recourse do we have anyway?

Weetabix there's little point in me setting this argument out as you will no doubt disagree with it...but anyway...most UK citizens, even those who have never left the UK, have benefited in some way by our membership of the EU whether that's related to workers'rights, health (environmental, food & product standards) or something like EU funded science/medical research. Sadly, they may only become aware of these benefits once they have lost them.

I beg to differ on the Last Ramblas issue and that the hostility is only directed at Brits. If thats the case why have I have heard it reported on French speaking news channels in France and Belgium about hostility to tourists of those countries too?

I beg to differ on the Last Ramblas issue and that the hostility is only directed at Brits. If thats the case why have I have heard it reported on French speaking news channels in France and Belgium about hostility to tourists of those countries too?

I don't know - when we were there the only signs up were written in English and contained phrases like "English go home" etc. There were none in any other language, they didn't say tourists go home or French go home.

They got what they wanted - we made sure not to spend 1 penny there and have never gone back. Wouldn't like to force anyone to take my tourist money when they clearly don't want to.

Weetabixandshreddies

EHIC only - for the able bodied is of course stupid but sick people have no choice, EHIC gives them a quality of life that otherwise they couldn't have, Brexit denies them that.

We have a very workable system and all you want to do is replace it with chaos and tit for tat.

imho Brexit could work IF we revoked art50 and spent 10 years replicating what we've got and then left.... but this why is a disaster, Mays deal or not.

At the moment we have some recourse to the ECJ.

{"English go home" etc. There were none in any other language, they didn't say tourists go home or French go home. }
Maybe other nationalities manage to behave properly?
Seeing the racist and truly disgusting behaviour in the UK for the last couple of years and Mrs May's 'Hostile environment. is not going to help UK tourism much.

EHIC only - for the able bodied is of course stupid but sick people have no choice, EHIC gives them a quality of life that otherwise they couldn't have, Brexit denies them that.

I disagree, I'm sorry. Yes, EHIC might enable people to travel but it's not a chance that I'm prepared to take. It might enable me to health care abroad but how on earth would I get home if I couldn't travel back under my own steam or on a commercial flight as a standard passenger? EHIC won't provide medevac, or a row of airplane seats if I do something as simple as break my leg and end up in an ankle to thigh cast. I'm at the point now where the cost of my insurance is off putting (£600 just for me to Europe) so I won't travel. It's down to individual choice though isn't it?

At the moment we have some recourse to the ECJ.

Maybe in theory but in reality who can take it that far? We've seen the rise of zero hour contracts under EU membership. What protection has that given to workers? Virtually no rights with under 2 years employment - where was the protection of the ECJ when that was brought in?

Justtheretogiveaviewfrommyworld (to respond to your post down thread) actually you don't need recourse to the ECJ to obtain worker protection under EU rights as national courts (is local) have to ensure EU standards are upheld.

As to your rubber ring comparison, no one is saying the EU is perfect, but if you are drowning , a rubber ring is better then nothing!

Maybe other nationalities manage to behave properly?
Seeing the racist and truly disgusting behaviour in the UK for the last couple of years and Mrs May's 'Hostile environment. is not going to help UK tourism much.

Well, if you see a PP above apparently it is aimed at all tourists not just those from the UK and this was way before May or Brexit was even mentioned.

Clearly you don't hold British citizens in much regard so why are you so bothered about Brexit?

Weetabix do remember that the UK opted OUT of the additional social ( chapter?) protections that the EU adopted about 20 yrs ago and even if we are a member state of the EU, national governments are allowed under EU membership, some flexibility of national policy choices relating to labour law and standards. So much of the current situation in the UK with zero hrs contracts etc is the result of choices made by labour and conservative government over the past 20 yrs.

{We've seen the rise of zero hour contracts under EU membership. }
Zero hours contracts are nothing to do with EU, other EU countries don't have them.
Clearly not enough homework being done before you disadvantaged other UK citizens by your leave vote.

So then posters claiming that Brexit will end EU protection for worker rights or that workers have recourse to the ECJ isn't correct then if it's down to UK governments?

It will be worse, the cycle of deprivation will get worse and people will turn to increasingly desperate measures.

This.

Zero hours contracts are nothing to do with EU, other EU countries don't have them.
Clearly not enough homework being done before you disadvantaged other UK citizens by your leave vote.

I've not said they are down to the EU. I know who brought them in. I'm questioning why posters are saying that the EU protects workers rights when clearly it doesn't because individual governments are free to introduce their own employment legislation.

{Clearly you don't hold British citizens in much regard so why are you so bothered about Brexit?}
Because apart from people like you who have deliberately caused a lot of expense, stress and anxiety by voting leave to 'solve' the wrong problem I have a lot of friends in the UK and worldwide and don't want to see them hurt.

1tisILeClerc

Do you live in the UK? You have a strange way of referring to us, almost in the 3rd person.

1tisILeClerc

Asserting that most Brits are piss heads really has nothing to do with voting for Brexit though does it?

Are your British friends and family piss heads too? Only you seemed very keen to tar all British people with that brush.

Yes, EHIC might enable people to travel but it's not a chance that I'm prepared to take. It might enable me to health care abroad but how on earth would I get home if I couldn't travel back under my own steam or on a commercial flight as a standard passenger? EHIC won't provide medevac...

Kidney patients can get med insurance that doesn't cover their immediate condition, as that would be exorbitant, if not impossible.

EHIC gives them the extra, it is taken adv of by many of people with a variety of medical conditions.

Even in Mays WA, EHIC is only an aspiration.

Obviously that's quite niche and I have no experience of renal patients and insurance.

I have known of a family whose son had a heart op as a tiny baby but who still need to declare it as a pre existing condition because (and this is from the insurance company) if he were to break a bone they wouldn't cover him. I've been told that even if I choose to exempt a specific condition I probably still wouldn't be covered for countless other issues because either my disability or my medication might put me at a higher risk eg getting an infection that might affect me more seriously than someone else so for me if I can't get fully comprehensive cover at a reasonable cost then I won't risk travelling.

I think it's quite clear that being in the EU does not offer universal benefits. Even with membership many benefits aren't available to everyone.

{Are your British friends and family piss heads too? Only you seemed very keen to tar all British people with that brush.}
No, most of them hardly drink. I have stopped living in the UK which is quite handy.

Ah well. Wouldn't worry too much about us left behind then if you've left already.