Can we have a list of all the things we will be able to do once outside the E.U. that we can’t do now

[Bearbehind]

With 11 weeks to go this should be easy but it’s clear from other threads that people still think things that have nothing to do with the E.U. will change when we leave.

Can we have a list of tangible positive things that can only happen by leaving.

Weetabix yes but there are also questions about health insurance and access to health care. Going to the EU will become a bit more like travelling to the USA; perfectly possible but slightly more complex.

It will also, I imagine, depend to some extent on how the UK treat inward coming tourists and whether EU countries reciprocate in kind.

weetabix
The truth is, if you can't afford health insurance then you can't afford to travel. And that was in your pre Brexit Utopia
Piffle
Thousands of British pensioners use the Spanish health care system on EHIC basis - which is why Spain reclaims their medical costs from the NHS to the tune of over £200m each year

Most of the sad face repatriations are non EU I think you'll find.

Sorry see the health insurance has already been discussed (was interrupted before responding).

Weetabix the EU isn't a utopia, it is far from perfect. Anecdotally, I gave you an example of how FOM opened up the lives of ordinary working class kids. No middle class students off to study classics.

I believe the extra impediments put in place by a more restrictive system will put people off travelling. Opportunities would be missed and that would be a real shame.

The middle classes will always find a way it will be the usual suspects who miss out.

jasjas1973

Sorry, I worded that wrongly. I didn't mean it wasn't true that people did it I meant it wasn't true that EHIC is an alternative to proper health insurance.

It will also, I imagine, depend to some extent on how the UK treat inward coming tourists and whether EU countries reciprocate in kind.
Given that we offer free NHS treatment to everyone (supposedly only A and E but I've heard first hand inpatients and GP patients offering to pay and being told it's not necessary) then I would imagine that not much will change here.

Or maybe it will. Maybe we can charge tourist tax to the Spanish tourists in London and a health surcharge to EU tourists (or arrange for them to be taken to private hospitals like they do in Spain, that aren't covered by EHIC but they don't tell you until it's too late)

Ta1kinPeace

It isn't piffle.

EHIC will only cover health care available to nationals, so in some EU countries it won't cover all costs, it definitely doesn't cover the costs of flying you home or, should the worst happen, flying your remains home. So not piffle at all.

{1tisILeClerc
ODFOD}
Come here with some practical suggestions and get abuse from 'leavers'. Typical.

Weetabix

Yes, your post demonstrates that Spain, as a member of the EU, chooses to implement those charges. It is perfectly possible under EU rules to do so. It is only the UK 's fault - and the national government's responsibility alone - that we do not choose to do this!

1tisILeClerc
Yeah because you are just being belligerent. Setting up a local craft group isn't going to help anyone, I have no idea what the parish council is, nor how they will help me and I apparently need to channel Stephen Hawkings rather than sitting here feeling sorry for myself.

But obviously, you were just trying to be helpful.

{Given that we offer free NHS treatment to everyone (supposedly only A and E but I've heard first hand inpatients and GP patients offering to pay and being told it's not necessary) then I would imagine that not much will change here.}
My ability to access the NHS was cancelled the day I moved. Bit shit really considering.

SanJelliChino

Then clearly, if Brexit fails, that is what the UK government needs to do.

Maybe London shops could put up signs similar to they have in Las Ramblas too telling tourists to go home because they aren't welcome.

1tisILeClerc

In theory. Not in practice though. No one checks.

{Yeah because you are just being belligerent. Setting up a local craft group isn't going to help anyone, I have no idea what the parish council is, nor how they will help me and I apparently need to channel Stephen Hawkings rather than sitting here feeling sorry for myself.
But obviously, you were just trying to be helpful.}

Not my fault you are ungrateful with a distinct bitter twist.
You sit and mope, others want to enjoy life and with surprisingly little help but a positive attitude good things can be achieved.

1tisILeClerc

Really? I sit and mope and am ungrateful?

Ok then.

Maybe London shops could put up signs similar to they have in Las Ramblas too telling tourists to go home because they aren't welcome.

Seeing that eu citizens have been told repeatedly that they are not welcome anyway, that wouldn’t be a big step up.
Too many tourists CAN create lots if issues, esp rowdy ones....

The thing is Weetabix the attitude towards the working class in deprived areas being demonstrated on this thread is the one shared by the Tories who voted for and support Brexit.

Strange bedfellows indeed. The deprived working classes and the county set Tories.

These groups don't understand or care about the issues of deprived communities. South Wales, Stoke, Doncaster deindustrialised and abandoned. The only institution that has shown the least interest is the EU.

There is a thread about white privilege and how people take it for granted and the same is true of middle class or educational privilege.

Too many tourists CAN create lots if issues, esp rowdy ones....

These signs in Barcelona address all British tourists though, telling us to go home, we aren't welcome, they don't need tourists. I'm sure they'll look well with no tourists there.

Moussemoose

Yes that's very true.

Judging by comments made towards me by another PP there's also a large dose of able bodied privilege too.

the UK already offers enhanced annual leave and maternity and paternity rights over the standard that EU law suggests.

The point is Weetabix is that this isn't a problem relating to the EU. This is an issue that successive UK governments have chosen to ignore. They could have introduced systems to charge incoming EU tourists who make use of the NHS and make some income for this under-resourced institution - just as other EU countries do in kind in their countries - but they have never bothered to get to grips with it!

The Las Ramblas issue in Barcelona is nothing to do with the EU, it's a protest about the issues of world tourism in general (as in Venice for example) and the impact it has on the city so I'm not sure what your point is there.

{I'm sure they'll look well with no tourists there.}
There will be plenty of tourists, don't worry, just not pissed British arseholes.

SanJelliChino

I understand that the UK government should do more.

My point is that many people have benefited from the UK and it has been made easier by being in the EU and FOM. It is unsurprising that impoverished UK citizens, who don't benefit from cheaper holidays or EHIC cards will try to secure a change that might help them.

My point about Las Ramblas is that it is only directed at the British and shows just how fragile the EU relationship really is - despite what some people might wish for we clearly aren't one big happy family.

There will be plenty of tourists, don't worry, just not pissed British arseholes.

Can't say I've ever seen any tbh. But then we only go to nice places.

The thing about the EU stopping the government from fucking over employees is total bollocks. We are still in yet they are still managing to do that, yes the EU might have a structure to stop them, but how many people can realistically take cases to the ECJ, especially with legal aid being cut.

It's the same re human rights, when the Charter of Fundemental Freedoms was made binding, Blair agreed to Protocol 30 as an opt out because the didn't want to create new rights. The EU is a bit like a rubber ring, it gives you confidence, knowing it's there, but if you were drowning it would mean fuck all.

What's UK deprivation got to do with the EU? It's our UK problem with a government that's only watching Brexit votes. Let's get on with Brexit - it's what we voted for - and then please can we address the appalling state of our UK by electing a better UK government.