Can we have a list of all the things we will be able to do once outside the E.U. that we can’t do now

[Bearbehind]

With 11 weeks to go this should be easy but it’s clear from other threads that people still think things that have nothing to do with the E.U. will change when we leave.

Can we have a list of tangible positive things that can only happen by leaving.

No one should be forced to 'hop on a ferry' but it is very liberating for some.

I worked with a group of Level 2 Travel and Tourism students they all had Ds and Es at GCSE and they benefited massively from travel in the EU. They were 'working class' kids and their horizons were broadened, they had a great time, met new people it was an excellent experience.

Travel isn't just for the middle class it is arguably more valuable to working class students. But we need to keep the opportunity.

I understand vote leave was an act of desperation for some. My concern is that Brexit will make the situation significantly worse.

Do you really think Farage, BJ and JRM give a flying fuck about the working class. All those Tory party members are they going to advocate long term, internal investment in deprived communities?

It will be worse, the cycle of deprivation will get worse and people will turn to increasingly desperate measures.

{Maybe in the Calais jungle because obviously there are just so many opportunities over there at the moment for those people who have nothing and no support.}
The people who were in the 'jungle' were not Europeans so have no papers and rights to go to the UK. Everyone in Europe is entitled to travel throughout Europe.

So Weetabixandshreddies, since you are so worried about the situation in your area, have you been down to the council with your plans for a 'job club' or some other support group? Talk to the Parish council to see if they can help find a room or whatever to set up a group of some sort, childrens play or 'handicrafts' so you can meet up and have a coffee chat and make some stuff perhaps. Local charity organisations can usually bung a few quid for a good cause and can help with a room or whatever. It's all there, but you have to push to get it. Local businesses may be able to assist with either a bit of money, somewhere for a meeting or other things that might help.
It is the attitude of expecting things on a plate that is so irksome.

It will be worse, the cycle of deprivation will get worse and people will turn to increasingly desperate measures.

Yes, I think this too and it's what I'm most concerned about post-Brexit.

1tisILeClerc come off it. You know a job club won't cut it.

This is generation deep unemployment. A community wide lack of engagement with education. This is systemic, long term deprivation.

Communities do try and fight back and this works in inner cities where it can become a virtuous circle when linked with outside influences and agencies.

However, in homogeneous areas with limited outside influence poverty becomes self fulfilling. Individuals do have agency but it is hard if not impossible to make community wide moves without some external support.

Not sure how well oranges, bananas and rice grow in the UK

What's wrong with Apples Pears and Potatoes? We should eat more local produce, if we want to reduce carbon footprints.

1tisILeClerc

Have I done all of those things? No I haven't. Why? Because I am disabled, have a job, volunteer with a charity and am a school governor. A million apologies but actually I have far too much on my plate as it is.

Travel isn't just for the middle class it is arguably more valuable to working class students. But we need to keep the opportunity.

Why do you think we won't be able to travel post Brexit? Of course we will be able to.

On the upside, the way climate change is going the oranges may come to us.

the long term ignoring of these people led them to vote leave because it offered a chance of things being different.
What will they do when they realise they were utterly lied to by the people who planned Brexit?

Here's something positive! We will all get to experience Gove's new strategies to combat global warming which apparently will go further than current EU measures. Given how popular the EU's energy-saving legislation on hoovers and light bulbs have proved to be - legislation incidentally that the we helped to form, amend and ratify - I am sure this will be a delight for Leavers.

Yivamoon I suspect hill farmers in Wales, Scotland and Cumbria will not be sharing your optimistic outlook regarding their post-Brexit livelihoods.

The examples I gave we short term jobs that were made significantly easier due to FOM. The kids involved would have run a mile from paperwork and complicated forms.

The simplicity of FOM worked for these kids. No visas, no forms, no visits to embassies just a passport and an EHiC.

Complexity will not stop the middle classes, Jocasta will still get to see the Uffizi but Jo won't get the job on a building site or in a bar.

Weetabix of course we'll be able to travel post-Brexit but it will be more difficult, more bureaucratic, and more expensive.

SanJelliChino

They're talking about it costing £7 for 3 years though, hardly a fortune. And Spain already charge us a tourist tax which is more than that.

Weetabixandshreddies

My point is that aspiration shouldn't just be for those who have money and supportive parents.

Taking away opportunities, which leaving the EU will do, is hardly helpful, even if it is just for a few children.

Governments need to pour far more money into education and training, a smaller economy and competing spending demands esp with an aging population, means even less will be spent.

The younger workers will not tolerate taxes going up, they didn't vote for this, so why should they?

Well I have a job, and volunteered with several charities several over 40 years, and was a school governor and a Parish councillor.
If you want something you have to try it, if you don't try you have failed before you start.
Professor Stephen Hawkins was disabled and not expected to live into his 20's. Did he sit and mope?

{You know a job club won't cut it.} Nationwide obviously not but within a community it can make a huge difference. Positive attitude and 'banging on doors' can achieve miracles.

jasjas1973

Aspiration shouldn't be just for those with money or supportive parents but honestly there are so many more barriers than just being able to go abroad.

Kids whose parents don't value education, those living in poor housing, no internet access to do homework, missing school due to no uniform, no money for bus fare, no food, parents prioritising other things over education, moving many times because of housing difficulties.

I doubt that for families living under these conditions the prospect of being able to study in Holland or to live in Brussels will figure very highly.

1tisILeClerc
ODFOD

Nice shiny new driving licences will be needed for anybody crossing the channel
www.gov.uk/government/publications/prepare-to-drive-in-the-eu-after-brexit/requirements-for-all-uk-citizens-driving-abroad-from-29-march-2019?

Weetabix visa charges, loss of ehic (more expensive travel insurance), means a lot of extra cost for struggling families, apparently its going to be a lot more than our annual EU membership money.

Also, no EHIC means those with pre existing conditions cannot get insurance and cannot go on hols.... affects 29,000 kidney failure patients who currently can pre book treatment abroad or can have emg treatment for free.

Of course the people manipulating brexit (and you) for their own gain don't give a shit, they are all extremely wealthy, i doubt Mays diabetes will stop her hill walking in Tuscany during her long and healthy retirement.

Also, no EHIC means those with pre existing conditions cannot get insurance and cannot go on hols.... affects 29,000 kidney failure patients who currently can pre book treatment abroad or can have emg treatment for free.

That's just not true. No way would any sensible person especially with a pre existing condition travel with just an EHIC. It in no way is meant to be used instead of travel insurance.

No way would any sensible person especially with a pre existing condition travel with just an EHIC
But people do
in their tens of thousands
especially Brits going to the Med to get pissed

Of course the people manipulating brexit (and you) for their own gain don't give a shit, they are all extremely wealthy,

I'm not wealthy. And I have serious pre existing health conditions. I have also never travelled without comprehensive travel insurance because that is ludicrous and results in crowd funding to repatriate bodies or to medevac seriously ill people who didn't think "it" would happen to them.

The kids I am talking about were working class kids with parents who were often less than supportive. I work in a big city so that does put a different twist to it.

I'm also not talking about university education. A level 2 course at an FE college is for students who have not got 5 A-C (4-9). These are the students who got short term, temporary jobs in the EU. FOM significantly eased this process.

These students can be easily put off, they have little learnt resilience to paperwork and bureaucracy. Leaving the EU will limit their aspirations. It would be a real shame.

Ta1kinPeace

Hence the crowd funding sad face appeals.

The truth is, if you can't afford health insurance then you can't afford to travel. And that was in your pre Brexit Utopia

That's just not true. No way would any sensible person especially with a pre existing condition travel with just an EHIC. It in no way is meant to be used instead of travel insurance

Sorry but it is true, i know about kidney disease.
See below from kidney association

EHIC
As you may know, we currently have an EHIC card (European Health Insurance Card) which enables dialysis treatment to be given free of charge in state-run units across the EU. This has been achieved by a reciprocal healthcare arrangement which, while not always perfect, is key to the ability to travel on dialysis

For people who have kidney failure who need dialysis, the EHIC system is essential to allow them to travel in Europe and we are therefore eager to gain a clear picture of what is being done to secure this system after Brexit takes place and the UK leaves the EU