Can we have a list of all the things we will be able to do once outside the E.U. that we can’t do now

[Bearbehind]

With 11 weeks to go this should be easy but it’s clear from other threads that people still think things that have nothing to do with the E.U. will change when we leave.

Can we have a list of tangible positive things that can only happen by leaving.

He and many others are more than willing to fruit pick. The farms don’t advertise here. They only employ workers from the EU. I’m sure some farms don’t but they don’t want to pay minimum wage even and why would they? Stick a load of Romanians in mobile homes, pay them fuck all and call it a holiday to avoid employment rights etc. Winner winner chicken dinner.

And there’s the rub. We’re always lying about the social impact of mass migration. Which I can guess is because you are sheltered from it and refuse to see it.

“All of our seasonal work requirements are exclusively met by an overseas workforce - these days Bulgarians and Romanians”

Direct quote from the company.

They DO NOT employ British citizens for seasonal work. It’s not a lie. It’s a fact

The ones lying about the effects of mass low skilled immigration are the ones benefitting from it.

Why pay the living wage when you can exploit an immigrant.

Is that Wilkins at Tiptree?

@surferjet, yes this company has just invested a load of money in building accommodation for their seasonal workers. The company was built on the backs of local workers, young men and women, and then fucked them over to make a quick buck.

You guys must really want to keep your £6 car wash and wax

Remainers would have you believe that the only people entering the UK under Freedom of movement laws are brain surgeons & nuclear physicists.

If it is Wilkins then I believe there is rather more to this story then glitter is sharing ...

@Buteo, yes I’m wrong I’ve no doubt. I know what I know. You can tell me I’m wrong and that they employ lots of seasonal workers from the local area. I know different.

@surferjet, happy for them to let in as many surgeons and nurses and doctors and other professions as we need. Will welcome them with open arms.

Happy to let in a proportion of low wage workers too. AFTER companies have made a decent effort to recruit and retain staff from the UK.

If they don't pay minimum wage then they can be prosecuted.

"The ones lying about the effects of mass low skilled immigration are the ones benefitting from it. Why pay the living wage when you can exploit an immigrant."

Except that you never produce any evidence for it except "People can see" .

ALl the evidence points to the fact that the impact on wages is negligible.

{Surferjet}
{I don’t know.
But who signs up for a deal that’s impossible to get out of?
Or if you do leave you’re life is ruined.
Would you personally sign up for that?}

Well YOU have signed up to Brexit which is now already underway, businesses are leaving, the 'departure' has started.
Welcome to the mess you created by ticking 'leave'.
The continuing, and rapidly increasing hardships for all should be on your conscience, if you have one.

No, you're not wrong that Wilkins employ Romanian and Bulgarian seasonal workers. But not in the way that you imply.

They are not "on a holiday". They are employees that during the 2017 season were paid £1.65 million, with a PAYE and combined NI bill of £300k going to the Treasury.

Wilkins says that it has always employed seasonal workers through the SAWS scheme, so I'm not sure how "The company was built on the backs of local workers, young men and women, and then fucked them over to make a quick buck".

"The company was built on the backs of local workers, young men and women, and then fucked them over to make a quick buck".

That's the perception, but not reality.

Stick a load of Romanians in mobile homes, pay them fuck all and call it a holiday to avoid employment rights etc. Winner winner chicken dinner.

This is what the ERG flavour of Tories want- they are quite happy to see workers exploited as long as they see the money for themselves.

“All of our seasonal work requirements are exclusively met by an overseas workforce - these days Bulgarians and Romanians”

Substitute the words Philippinos, Albanians or where ever and carry on as before.

happy for them to let in as many surgeons and nurses and doctors and other professions as we need. Will welcome them with open arms.

You may be but the Home Office will need root and branch reform before this happens. There have already been cases of the NHS attempting to recruit qualified medical staff for the HO to refuse them visas.

What’s the reality then? Seasonal workers weren’t local young men and women in years gone by? I know families where the dad and grandad all worked that farm for years in the summer. Their sons and daughters can’t get a job now.

Please tell me what the reality is?

They said it themselves. Their seasonal workers are EXCLUSIVELY EU migrants brought over for the season. They refuse to employ British seasonal staff.

Yet pride themselves on their history and quintessential Britishness

Exactly. They have deliberately offered us a poor deal to make us stay.

Oh dear. And this will forever more be the narrative of those who are unwilling or unable to understand the process of leaving. We are doomed to the EU being blamed for everything forever. I'm afraid after 2.5 years, people who think like this are either refusing to listen because they don't agree, or I'm going to say it, they are stupid and ignorant!

There was a VERY clear diagram posted that showed all the options available to the UK upthread. What other options do you think are available?? Why can people still not understand that you CANNOT have all the benefits of EU/Single Market membership unless you go along with all the other parts of it. All the unsubstantiated crap that was promised by the leave campaign was never possible.

Please tell me what the reality is?

The reality is that they would have been working alongside the Kenyans, Mongolians, Ghanaians, Chinese, Khazaks etc as well as all the other nationalities employed under SAWS since the 1950s. It was not exclusively local seasonal workers, was it?

And how many of the permanent employees are local?

"Seasonal workers weren’t local young men and women in years gone by? "

I think you'll find migrants have been seasonal workers for decades.

I'll take a bet and say you are only presenting part of the facts here.

Their seasonal workers are EXCLUSIVELY EU migrants brought over for the season.

Have you wondered why they prefer to use the Bulgarian and Romanian workforce?

Of course they worked alongside migrants. But they had a chance didn’t they?

Did your parents not go on fruit picking holidays as teens? Work the local farms etc? Do you even know what you are talking about.

Sorry it doesn’t fit your narrative of lazy brits leaving crops to die in the fields whilst they claim their dole and sit at home

BINGO

Let me guess, we’re lazy and don’t work hard?

What’s the reality then? Seasonal workers weren’t local young men and women in years gone by?

Travelling gangs of Irish and gypsies, for two groups. Which went on for a couple of hundred years. Yes, they did employ locals as well, but come harvest time the local workforce wasn't sufficient.

There is a huge difference between

local workforce + others to make up the numbers

and

Only migrants no natives

I’m sure you are well aware of that