Can we have a list of all the things we will be able to do once outside the E.U. that we can’t do now

[Bearbehind]

With 11 weeks to go this should be easy but it’s clear from other threads that people still think things that have nothing to do with the E.U. will change when we leave.

Can we have a list of tangible positive things that can only happen by leaving.

UKIP were 100% the driving force behind the referendum.
Anyone with even a passing interest in politics knows that.

surferjet

Exactly. They have deliberately offered us a poor deal to make us stay.

1tisILeClerc

Before I join any club I check to how easy it is to leave. Any punitive exit clause and I don't join. Something politicians should have considered before joining us up to this "club".

The EU has agreed a withdrawal agreement with the UK that allows the UK to maintain its red line positions, whilst keeping to other internationally binding agreements, and one which will not plunge the UK economy over a cliff.

Then what's the problem? Why are the MPs rejecting it?

{I feel bad for anyone suffering because of this but honestly, prior to this what have you done to help people less well off than you? You can't expect people that are struggling to vote in a way that supports your life.

Many people in this country have been ignored by successive governments. I've not noticed the "haves" showing much concern about the "have nots" before now and yet suddenly everyone is expecting the "have nots" to vote in the interests of the "haves".

Honestly, why should a family, living in a hostel on UC care whether we can travel to Europe easily, or own holiday homes in Spain or work in other EU countries? These options aren't available to them. What they see is a lack of housing, lack of employment opportunities. Whether Brexit was right or not many people voted for change, because none of our current politicians will do anything.}

You and Surferjet are being rather tedious in failing to understand how the EU is related to the UK and how life in general works.
People in the UK are poor because successive governments (as a whole) couldn't give a shit about them.
Destroying the house of someone who is paying tax to support the country is not the way to get things improved for the 'poor' because then no one has any money.
I am paying tax to go into the pot to help everyone in the UK. It is the government's responsibility to spend my tax wisely. The fact that they don't has got bugger all to do with the EU.
As I am paying tax to support you, what are YOU doing to 'repay' me?
If the answer is 'nothing' then why the hell should I support you?
In a civilised society everybody puts something into the pot, and everyone is then entitled to get something out in return.

The EU doesn’t want brexit to be a success - because if it is other countries will follow ( the richer ones anyway, the ones sick of bailing out Greece )
Brexit must fail.
That’s why they’ve offered us ‘shit deal or nothing’

{Before I join any club I check to how easy it is to leave. Any punitive exit clause and I don't join. Something politicians should have considered before joining us up to this "club".}
The terms have been on the internet since the internet was available but of course the politicians of the day knew the rules. They helped writing them. A50 was written by a Scottish Lord.
It's not a 'punitive' exit clause. The UK signed up for long term programs and they need to pay for it.

"Then what's the problem? Why are the MPs rejecting it?"

Because the Labour MP's don't like May's red lines and think a better deal could be negotiated without them.

Because the ERG MP's would prefer no deal.

This is the best deal that is possible with May's red lines.

{The EU doesn’t want brexit to be a success - because if it is other countries will follow ( the richer ones anyway, the ones sick of bailing out Greece )
Brexit must fail.
That’s why they’ve offered us ‘shit deal or nothing’}
It is only a 'shit deal' if the UK sends a bunch of idiots to make the negotiations. Stop reading the Daily Fail and start thinking properly.

"That’s why they’ve offered us ‘shit deal or nothing’"

Its not a shit deal, its the deal that is possible without breaking May's red lines.

This is completely of the UK's own making.

Its always someone else's fault eh leavers.

This is what you voted for,

1tisILeClerc

Stop reading the guardian or watching C4 news.
Think for yourself.

{"Then what's the problem? Why are the MPs rejecting it?"}
Because too many have failed to understand that the world has turned a few times since the heyday of the Empire and that to survive in a Global economy you have to think global and act WITH others in partnerships.
This goes against their bone headed fantasy that the UK is still 'great' and 'rules the waves'.
Viewed from the moon, the UK is just a tiny island.

Exactly - the EU have deliberately offed us a shit deal so we reject it & end up never leaving
They want our money
Absolutely bastards

No - May signed the Deal, she agreed to it with cabinet approval, she could just as easily have said NO and walked away.

Our net contributions are approx 8 to 10 billion, enough to run our NHS for about 3 to 4 weeks, this idea that all this is about a relatively paltry sum is ridiculous.

the EU is negotiating in support of its existing members, not one that is leaving.

Oh yes, I’d forgotten that surfer had a whole thread on wanting to ban Channel4 news

{1tisILeClerc
Stop reading the guardian or watching C4 news.
Think for yourself.}
What is wrong with reading a whole range of papers from the Independent, Guardian, Times, various European papers, the Fail and Express.
The latter two are for entertainment purposes only as there is no critical thinking in there of any sort. 'OMG a woman has had a BABY, shock HORROR!!!

"They want our money"

The UK's net contribution to the EU budget is about 7% of the total. Only up till 2020 anyway.

So what's the alternative to this "shit deal" with reference to Northern Ireland .
That Brexiteers like DD and Raab who were in charge of negotiations failed to get.

"Stop reading the guardian or watching C4 news.
Think for yourself"

Ahh are they Fake News?

TBF I think they both report quite fairly and don't have any of the histrionics of the right wing media.

I don’t know.
But who signs up for a deal that’s impossible to get out of?
Or if you do leave you’re life is ruined.
Would you personally sign up for that?

Because remainers should be questioning this just as much as leavers.

It is possible to exit this deal. If a solution to the N Ireland border is found that avoids a border. Which, according to Rees-Mogg and his pals is absolutely doable now if not really soon. What are they afraid of, then?

Because as I said, even if I’d voted remain i’d be really annoyed at how we’re being treated. I’d think ‘fuck this, they’re screwing 16 million people over, people I share my country with, they could do this to me next time around’

"But who signs up for a deal that’s impossible to get out of? "

It isn't impossible to get out of.

What is impossible to do is what May and the leavers want to do, which is to have all the benefits of being an EU member on our own terms, rather than through compromising with the other members.

"‘fuck this, they’re screwing 16 million people over, people I share my country with, they could do this to me next time around’"

They have already screwed over all the remain voters anyway.

None of the courses of action were justified by the slight majority won.

And you are as guilty of it as anyone, your attitude has been you lost shut up.

My neighbours son will be able to go and get summer work fruit picking at our local farm.

He applied the last two years but they only employ people on “working holidays”. For working holidays you can read low wages in exchange for accommodation and a few pretend days out to qualify as a holiday.

Yeah that's something that never happened.