What happened to the Brexit Arms?

[Miljah]

Have I missed it somewhere?

Or has it disappeared? 18 months ago it was a hot bed of cheering, braying and smug crowing. What went wrong?

Now, 'What the Chuff are we Actually Going To Do?' threads get one, token Brexiteer, isolated, arguing their corner? Slapped down every second ensuing post?

This makes me very worried. It almost makes me thing that the post-Brexit fears of Remainers can't be relied upon as a source of mirth anymore.

So, c'mon! Where are you? Once you've parked 'Project Fear'/'Remoaners'/'We won, you lost, get over it?'/'It'll be fine'

Please tell me you've kept some powder dry!

Please give me hope that at least some of you can post a coherent reply assuring us that this won't be the biggest - to quote Angela- 'shitstorm' in our recent history?

Do you sort of wonder why your cheer-squads went silent?

Does that worry you, too?

Save money? Really?

At least some of that £39 billion will be due, as it's what we committed to when we we signed a regulation in 2013 that sets the Medium-Term Budgetary Framework that ends in 2020.

And we could be sued:

Emily Reid, Professor of International Economic Law at Southampton, told [Channel 4] FactCheck that “as a matter of international law [she cites the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties] whether we leave the EU with or without a deal, the UK bears those liabilities and commitments, and resultant financial obligations, and legally is required to execute them.”

{And we could be sued:}
And while the EU is busy suing for that aspect, the other non European countries and businesses will be suing for breach of other contracts.
The UK had promised that it would remain in the EU when Nissan negotiated to build in Sunderland is just one.

So leave now means no deal.
So is that what you wanted when you stuck your cross in the box, mummy? If so, maybe you could explain the benefits of that, because the general consensus (government's own impact statements, various experts etc.) is that that would be economically suicidal. Why would anyone knowingly vote to cause such hardship to their fellow citizens?
I personally don't believe the government would be so stupid as to allow us to leave without a deal, but they've shown themselves to be utterly incompetent up to this point, so we'll have to wait and see.

If leave automatically means no deal, TM will Revoke in the national interest. Is that what you want, mummy2017. It's already been flagged by Ministers as an alternative to their new catchphrase "Brexit paralysis".

^^This is what I think, too.
Whatever happens, it will be bloody.

I feel a collapse of government coming on and/or a GE

And what would that achieve?

Corbyn is worse and no other party stands a chance.

I think this sums it up

And what would that achieve?

Corbyn is worse and no other party stands a chance

I think this sums it up

It wont achieve anything positive (unless your name is JC and then you get your chance to shine (or not)) but it doesn't mean a GE can't/won't happen, depending on the result on Tuesday. A GE means we will probably get to start the whole fabulous thing that is Brexit all over again with a different person at the helm.

I have been very anti PV to date but I'd take a PV over the above.

I have been very anti PV to date but I'd take a PV over the above.

Glad to hear it.

Corbyn is a twat of epic proportions.

A GE would achieve nothing.

A PV would end in no deal or no Brexit and not enough people would actually choose to make themselves poorer when it came to the crunch.

A PV would end in no deal or no Brexit and not enough people would actually choose to make themselves poorer when it came to the crunch

Ooooh i’m not so sure it’s as clear cut as that.

What other option is there in reality?

No one wants the WA - it’s the worst of all worlds

Bearbehind
That's the spirit!

The picture I mean.

I prefer the WA to several other options. I prefer WA to No Deal, revocation with riots, years of rancour because A50 was revoked (even if it gets invoked again within 3 yrs), mitigated No Deal, and even the Checquers plan, PV which leads to A50 being revoked & years of bitterness.

I don't like the WA. I only like the alternative universe where Remain won 80%:20%.

These things I rate as better than WA, but I also rate them as impossible:
A50 being revoked & everyone shrugging & forgetting about Brexit.
PV with a Remain win that "the people" accept reasonably well;
GE followed by a better deal getting negotiated;
Different deal negotiated with EU under T-May's leadership.

Everything else I prefer or want I can't imagine happening. WA is the least bad option of all the options that are plausible.

Unless I am mistaken, once the WA us signed off skillful negotiation could get the UK close to 'remain' and if the UK asked really nicely, Remain could happen, something like 'Remain minus' perhaps.
On the basis that the EU would prefer remain, as long as the 4 pillars are not violated there must be some way. I feel that FoM may well be amended in the EU relatively soon as many other countries are suffering from having very little control.

I used to want a PV but i think the anti's are correct, it'll lead to even further division and hatred.
Imagine what would happen if remain won by 2% pts? it will just be a total disaster, accusations, blame and counter blame plus demands for another vote, best of 3 !!!

At the moment, i think the majority would accept a revocation plus a major public spending works program, training and taxation changes for the less well off, some would not be happy but what is happening now is dangerous and is achieving little for the areas that have been hit hardest by globalisation/austerity.

Agree, how does a GE solve anything ?

The EU said WA or no deal.
TM given 3 days if WA not accepted.
What has to be done to get you lot to see that there is no plan B, no where else to go...
It will be no deal.

Agree, how does a GE solve anything ?

You would need to ask JC, it’s the only thing he seems to have been interested in the last 2 years - maybe he knows something we don’t!

The EU said WA or no deal.

The EU said WA or no deal or stay.

We will end up with a fudged version of Remaining.

Agree, how does a GE solve anything ?

It doesn’t, it’s just Corbyn’s stock answer to everything, because he’s a twat.

WA is what is on the table...
So if the EU say that is what you get..... How in 3 days is a magic solution going to appear...
Do you not understand just what going back on A50 says to the UK and the world...
If you think that is going to happen your crazy.

How in 3 days is a magic solution going to appear...

It isn’t.

Which is why we’ll find a way of revoking without calling it that.

Do you not understand just what going back on A50 says to the UK and the world...

It shows the world we’re not quite the fuckwits they currently think we are.

{Do you not understand just what going back on A50 says to the UK and the world...}
Apart from Putin and Trump, most of the rest of the world will be quite happy with that decision.
Putin wants 'leave' because it weakens the EU.
Trump wants Leave so he can sell more shit.
The rest of the world wants to trade and get on with more important things.

Bo it won't, it will show that we have no integrity.
That the UK voters don't matter.
That the UK know for my word is my bond means nothing...
Oh and good luck on getting JC to agree to this,, you don't have a hope In h..... Of this happening.
4000 staff were pulled to sort no deal.... What do you not understand.