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What happened to the Brexit Arms?

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Miljah · 10/01/2019 01:21

Have I missed it somewhere?

Or has it disappeared? 18 months ago it was a hot bed of cheering, braying and smug crowing. What went wrong?

Now, 'What the Chuff are we Actually Going To Do?' threads get one, token Brexiteer, isolated, arguing their corner? Slapped down every second ensuing post?

This makes me very worried. It almost makes me thing that the post-Brexit fears of Remainers can't be relied upon as a source of mirth anymore.

So, c'mon! Where are you? Once you've parked 'Project Fear'/'Remoaners'/'We won, you lost, get over it?'/'It'll be fine'

Please tell me you've kept some powder dry!

Please give me hope that at least some of you can post a coherent reply assuring us that this won't be the biggest - to quote Angela- 'shitstorm' in our recent history?

Do you sort of wonder why your cheer-squads went silent?

Does that worry you, too?

OP posts:
surferjet · 11/01/2019 10:48

But bear, being abusive & angry is not going to get you anywhere. I understand your frustration I really do, but you have to understand that no leaver has all the answers, they just don’t. Fgs even the government haven’t got all the answers.
We can only tell you why we voted to leave.
Those reasons are never good enough so you just get more frustrated.
Accepting that we’ll never agree is a good starting point. But you think if you shout & attack often enough everything will go away & Brexit won’t happen.
You see me as the 16 million who voted leave. You can’t shout at 16 million people so you shout at me.
If brexit doesn’t happen ( & I’m prepared for that! ) I’ll be very disappointed - but I won’t come on here and take it out on you.

mummmy2017 · 11/01/2019 10:53

So true about we just don't know what will happen.
But I do have hope, the financial sector have said they will flourish and they have plans and can see that the doom and gloom is not going to happen as they have always said.

BorisBogtrotter · 11/01/2019 11:04

No one is bullying anyone.

The brexit arms was tyhat thing that leavers despise, an echo chamber.

Like I say they just repeated all the myths of brexit as if they were fact.

Bearbehind · 11/01/2019 11:11

surfer for the last time, I’m not being abusive or aggressive, despite the fact you are now really annoying me with your constant accusations to that effect.

I won’t report you because that’s not my style, I’d prefer people saw the fact you can’t defend your arguments on here without reverting to such accusations.

It is more that a little ridiculous that, with 12 weeks to go, Leavers are still merrily saying ‘don’t worry, no one has the answers’ and find that acceptable.

Notonthestairs · 11/01/2019 11:13

I can't get behind a plan which states "we don't know what will happen but we have hope". I just can't. You might have sufficient economic flex to manage regardless of a downturn but we won't. And we are bringing up a disabled child that will always need a great deal of support from public services. Anything that limits or contracts those services will directly impact us.

It feels like our lives are being experimented with by those either with money to protect them or who have so little they have nothing left to lose (and this should have been tackled years ago by reversing austerity and co ordinated efforts to invest for the benefit of those communities).

I'd be interested to hear who is predicting that the financial services will flourish because I missed this bit of reporting and could do with some good news.

surferjet · 11/01/2019 11:23

Bear.
Yesterday you were backing up a poster who was extremely spiteful about my son, so much so his/her post was deleted.
You defended her.
So stop with your wide eyed ‘who me’ nonsense.

BorisBogtrotter · 11/01/2019 11:24

I wasn't spiteful.

I gave the same reason you gave previously, and you had faux outrage.

surferjet · 11/01/2019 11:25

You even searched my post from 6 months ago to back up that particular poster.
So yes, you are a trouble maker.

surferjet · 11/01/2019 11:26

Even when I said I was so hurt I was crying you both carried on.

1tisILeClerc · 11/01/2019 11:26

{But I do have hope, the financial sector have said they will flourish}
I am not getting at you but would like to find out where you think the 'flourish' part will come from when the Chancellor and almost everyone else, that isn't part of the ERG have said that the economy will dive sharply.
The likes of the ERG are very selective in what they say and what they have 'modeled'. Yes they see profits from various actions, but they haven't said that to achieve those profits taxes must be cut hard (sounds good) BUT in return there must be massive cuts to social spending, so that will be benefits, public transport, roads, council services etc. Thus it is very attractive to those with plenty of money, especially if it is held offshore, but ruinous for the likes of you and I.
It is like a gorgeous looking birthday cake with superb icing, but you discover that under the icing it is a cardboard box.
A low tax economy is great for those with money but a real killer for those without as there is nothing to pay the social element with.

BorisBogtrotter · 11/01/2019 11:28

"Even when I said I was so hurt I was crying you both carried on."

You were hurt by something you yourself had said, and now that your son is off to university it doesn't actually apply?

Like I say its faux outrage.

1tisILeClerc · 11/01/2019 11:28

FWIW the financial services sector are getting their dealings out of the UK as fast as regulation allows.

surferjet · 11/01/2019 11:29

Other remainers thought you were out of order & told you so.
You still carried on, & you’re still doing it now.

BorisBogtrotter · 11/01/2019 11:31

You raised it again as an example of bullying, it was hardly that. One other poster agreed with you, more than one other poster didn't see where the offence came from

Playing the victim is a typical leaver stance though.

1tisILeClerc · 11/01/2019 11:32

Please quit any form of personal insults. The UK is in a shit position and somehow everyone will have to get on as best we can.
No one it 'totally right' or 'totally wrong' it is always a shade in between.

bellinisurge · 11/01/2019 11:32

Please @surferjet and @BorisBogtrotter .

surferjet · 11/01/2019 11:33

Sorry bellinisurge

I know.

I’ll hide the thread now.

Bearbehind · 11/01/2019 11:35

surfer my backing up a poster who repeated something you had actually said was neither agressive nor abusive.

The fact you didn’t like it does not make it either of those things.

Please could you try and contribute usefully to these threads

All you do lately is stir up trouble and try to get Remainers to shut up.

Bearbehind · 11/01/2019 11:37

you even searched my post from 6 months ago to back up that particular poster.

You asked for someone to prove what you had said so I did.

Faux outrage is exactly the right term.

whiskybysidedoor · 11/01/2019 11:44

FWIW the financial services sector are getting their dealings out of the UK as fast as regulation allows.

Can you explain this a bit further please? Where does your information come from?

mummmy2017 · 11/01/2019 11:59

Report just on News, we're are only. 03% down on dealing last year, and the woman who's job it is said things are looking up, but depends on the deal we get.
The UK ecconmy is better than France and Germany, when we are heading off a cliff to paraphrase what is being said on MN... Why do you think we are not doing so badly?

Bearbehind · 11/01/2019 12:05

Why do you think we are not doing so badly?

You do realise we haven’t actually left yet don’t you? Hmm

mummmy2017 · 11/01/2019 12:11

Bear business will have plans for leaving, if there has been no real downturn in our trading, don't you think this is a good thing.?
I really do think there is not going to be a massive crash, more a blip and then the country as a whole will adjust, it will be almost summer, and this will help move us onward... If people avoid holidays abroad for 12 months then that will help as well.

Bearbehind · 11/01/2019 12:13

it will be almost summer, and this will help move us onward... If people avoid holidays abroad for 12 months then that will help as well.

There’s literally no point in arguing with that kind of naivety.

1tisILeClerc · 11/01/2019 12:15

Can you explain this a bit further please? Where does your information come from?
I forget exact sources but it is reported on SKY news, BBC website, most newspapers, except the Fail and Express. Essentially the money traders, being loans, securities and so on are moving people and the assets out of London and are going to Paris, Frankfurt and other centres as the UK will be losing the 'passporting' rights (they are not licenced to handle the business) for EU finance trading. They have to be based within the EU.
Why it is important is that they pay tax to HMRC, which represents a lot of income to the UK.
Not sure what Mummmy is on about. The current dealings might be OK but we have not got to 29 March yet, which is the date that passporting rights would be cancelled, meaning all EU financial trade will cease. At the moment a financial trader can be sat in an office in London, Paris or anywhere in Europe. From 29 March they have to be physically within Europe.