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What happened to the Brexit Arms?

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Miljah · 10/01/2019 01:21

Have I missed it somewhere?

Or has it disappeared? 18 months ago it was a hot bed of cheering, braying and smug crowing. What went wrong?

Now, 'What the Chuff are we Actually Going To Do?' threads get one, token Brexiteer, isolated, arguing their corner? Slapped down every second ensuing post?

This makes me very worried. It almost makes me thing that the post-Brexit fears of Remainers can't be relied upon as a source of mirth anymore.

So, c'mon! Where are you? Once you've parked 'Project Fear'/'Remoaners'/'We won, you lost, get over it?'/'It'll be fine'

Please tell me you've kept some powder dry!

Please give me hope that at least some of you can post a coherent reply assuring us that this won't be the biggest - to quote Angela- 'shitstorm' in our recent history?

Do you sort of wonder why your cheer-squads went silent?

Does that worry you, too?

OP posts:
Bearbehind · 11/01/2019 14:02

No deal is not going to happen mummmy

I half wish it would just to prove the point to you and those who think it will all be fine.

BorisBogtrotter · 11/01/2019 14:09

I wish no deal would happen actually.

Then it would stop all the people saying it would be fine.

They'd be begging to get back in the EU and their heroes like JRM would be vilified because of the agenda they persuaded after leaving.

Low tax, low regulation economy is not going to be good for your average Joe.

mummmy2017 · 11/01/2019 14:22

Why would I want the WA stitch up...
It's a joke... We are a joke for even think it is a good deal...

bellinisurge · 11/01/2019 14:27

So, mummy, what should we do? No Deal? You wanted to Leave, it's WA or No Deal.

1tisILeClerc · 11/01/2019 14:31

{Why would I want the WA stitch up...
It's a joke... We are a joke for even think it is a good deal...}
The ONLY good deal was to stay in the EU. Even that has gone now as revoke will not get the UK back to where it was in 2016.
Rather than this continual tit for tat bollocks that is going on, how about some constructive ideas for how to get out of the hole the UK has dug itself into.
Once the UK leaves it will be on it's own, so someone out of the 60 Million needs to get their head into gear and arguing the toss over who digs potatoes is absolutely pointless.
The UK can't trade with the world if it has no money.

Bearbehind · 11/01/2019 14:32

mummmy has always said she wants no deal.

If we all just have our summer holiday at home it’ll all be fine.

BorisBogtrotter · 11/01/2019 14:37

"Why would I want the WA stitch up"

The withdrawal agreement isn't a stitch up, its a compromise which allows the UK to avoid no deal and to keep its red lines.

BorisBogtrotter · 11/01/2019 14:37

"revoke will not get the UK back to where it was in 2016."

IF we revoked we would have exactly the same deal that we did in Jun 2016.

Bearbehind · 11/01/2019 14:37

To be fair, I agree the WA is a stitch up.

It’s completely pointless

Tanith · 11/01/2019 14:42

Perhaps we should swap populations with France for a few weeks.

They could come and do our civil unrest rioting in the streets for us while we sit with cups of tea and grumble to each other while Macron puts through whatever measures he feels like.

bellinisurge · 11/01/2019 14:43

Luckily, it does not seem like Parliament will allow No Deal. God knows what's going to happen but I'm slightly less unconfident ConfusedHmmabout Parliament stopping No Deal. Which means- WA or Revoke (no Brexit).
Which one , mummy2017, is the least worst option?

Yvaine1 · 11/01/2019 14:48

Am still bewildered how anyone could wish a no deal or even leave at all.
Outside of the vicious low tax and spend bastards like Johnson and Mogg and their ilk, and the incredibly naive and simple take back control children who the bastards feed off it's a mystery.

mummmy2017 · 11/01/2019 15:19

Thanks Bear, I do understand your point of view.
And I know we cross swords as we are at the each end of what is possible.
I really wondered if TM would somehow have the balls to get more for Remain than she did, that would swing it, to prove my how do you get 27 agree wrong, I know how much you wanted that.
I just keep thinking we will be paying for ever if we take WA and have no way out, and think better to just leave and work backwards, when we do have something they want this time... Rather than begging.

Bearbehind · 11/01/2019 15:27

But you are simply not accepting the fact no Brexit is more likely than no deal.

Even the foreign secretary has said as much today. And that is likely encourage the vote against the WA even more.

No deal will not be allowed to happen.

BorisBogtrotter · 11/01/2019 15:31

" and have no way out,"

This is the problem, because its being painted as no way out you believe it.

The EU will not seek to keep the UK in the customs union and force it to do so, this WA just gives the time to sort out a mutually beneficial trade deal.

The problem is that leave politicians want no deal.

mummmy2017 · 11/01/2019 15:32

The 3 day thing, after the vote defeat, gives no chance of anything else.
This is not a case of no support for no deal in Parliament.

1tisILeClerc · 11/01/2019 15:34

{IF we revoked we would have exactly the same deal that we did in Jun 2016.}
At a political level yes.
However many billions have been spent in the last 2 1/2 years that are to a degree wasted. Much of industry is on it's way to Europe and won't return, and the UK government has pissed all over the notion that the UK is a stable and well run country.
Thus the idea that revoke gets us back is rather dubious. It is still of course much better than the WA and infinitely better than no deal.
There is another issue that the ardent 'leavers' will say they have been betrayed by not having left, despite it being a pretty stupid idea.

1tisILeClerc · 11/01/2019 15:49

{The EU will not seek to keep the UK in the customs union and force it to do so, this WA just gives the time to sort out a mutually beneficial trade deal. }
The EU probably needs about 4 or 5 months to finalise infrastructure for ports etc to handle extra requirements for customs. Once that is complete the presence or absence of the UK is immaterial and they can cope with whatever is decided. Their preparation on the whole is rather more advanced than the UK although I don't know about the issues of trucks through customs.
It could be that once the WA is signed and the UK goes into transition, that the UK government just say 'bollocks we are going anyway' and rather than use the established 2020 (2021?) transition date just leave in the middle of this year. Having treaties and following them is very polite but there is no rule to say that the British Ambassador can't take a note to the EU saying the UK is declaring war immediately, much the same process at the start of the UK's entry to WW2. I am not of course suggesting this might be the plan!

Bearbehind · 11/01/2019 16:37

The 3 day thing, after the vote defeat, gives no chance of anything else.

Exactly.

And No deal cannot happen so then what

1tisILeClerc · 11/01/2019 16:45

{And No deal cannot happen so then what}
Please excuse the slight pedantry but No deal IS what happens unless May and the government DO something.
It may just be the way you wrote it as I am sure you are aware.

Bearbehind · 11/01/2019 17:08

OK, cannot be allowed to happen.

twofingerstoEverything · 11/01/2019 17:51

Why would I want the WA stitch up

You obviously feel quite strongly about this, mummy, but TBH this is what you voted for. You voted for unknown terms and an an unknown future. You have said over and over again in the past year or so that you don't believe 'they' would have let us vote on a matter of such importance if there wasn't a means of achieving a good result. I'm paraphrasing, but I'm fairly sure you have said something like, 'I just voted. The details are for the government to resolve.' Well, this is what 'they' have come up with. I say again: this is what you voted for. You put blind trust in 'them', even in the absence of a plan, and this is the inevitable outcome.

mummmy2017 · 11/01/2019 17:54

I loved to leave.
But yes I do know we have no choice now.
It does seem however that the WA is not getting through..
So leave now means no deal.
Save money and we don't bend over to the EU.

UnnecessaryFennel · 11/01/2019 18:03

We have never 'bent over' to the EU, mummmy.

And if we don't pay what we owe, who will be interested in trading with us? At least, on terms that would be in any way favourable for us?

time4chocolate · 11/01/2019 18:04

Shambolic but at the same time very interesting indeed. We are led to believe No Deal wont get through (although there is always default), not the numbers for WA and unlikely TM will revoke.

Funny how all these same MPs voted unanimously to let the people decide three years ago and subsequently then passed a vote on Article 50. What short memories they have.

I think an email to my MP is in order just to remind him of the above.

I feel a collapse of government coming on and/or a GE.

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