Any Leavers here?

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Been reading all these threads on here about Brexit and just wondered if anyone voted Leave?
Fwiw, I did.
If you voted Leave what do you anticipate will happen before 29/03?

Dont be shy, I can't be the only Leaver on here!

Just because no one replies immediately doesn’t mean you have the right to take over the thread ( as usual ). leavers aren’t on here all day long like you appear to be.
Take an hour off ffs.

I didn't realise anyone owned a particular thread and that there was a them and us thing going on.

Are you okay surferjet?

Isn’t it a good thing to try to understand the viewpoints of others? Surely to heal the divide we need to do this - politely and respectfully.

I voted remain because I believe we’re stronger, more influential, have greater resources when we cooperate and work together in all areas (science, technology, social issues, climate, etc).

I believe our economy benefits enormously from Single Market and Customs Union membership.

I have a personal preference for cooperation and pooling of knowledge - I believe this is beneficial.

I believe that the EU, though flawed in some areas, is a force for good (eg, the Everything but Arms initiative) and peace.

I have many other reasons, based on reasearch, advice from experts and gut feeling.

I think no deal would be a huge mistake which would result in the poorest in society being even more fucked than they are now and those who currently think ‘things couldn’t get any worse’ finding out that they really can.

I would have liked us to remain in the EU and retain our seat at the top table, from where we could help to steer the reforms that are necessary and will happen. Many EU countries are sad to see the UK leave - not because of our economic input but because of our politics and our pragmatism.

I think we’re making a huge mistake but I would like to be persuaded otherwise. I have been asking for the good news about Brexit (on this board) for 2 years. Unfortunately it seems that no one is willing to explain the benefits because, apparently, remainers throw insults. I have no problem with being insulted on an anonymous forum. It’s not personal. Why not try to convince us? Wouldn’t it be great if we could all come together to support the same outcome?

As an outsider looking in, there were a series of events that no doubt raised concerns and contributed to a tremendous dislike of the EU, particularly at that moment.

The treatment of Greece with the EU inflicting austerity upon it at a time when it was the worse possible time to do so resulting in needless suffering.

The vast welcoming and importation into Germany of refugees who couldn't be properly screened and vetted and who simply overwhelmed the resources that Germany could muster, and then Merkel's attempt to distribute them around the EU. She didn't consult with other EU member states before she invited them in, giving rise to the idea that Germany and Merkel called the shots in the EU.

Hence the poster with Farage with all those refugees in the background. It was not so much that the UK was being bombarded with hordes of refugees as it seemed to indicate what could happen in the near future.

All of that has now faded into the background as Greece decided it wanted to stay in the EU and keep the Euro and the refugee problem in the EU seems to have stabilized.

Richard Nixon said that four years can be forever in terms of politics, I think two years or so can be that way as well.

The stuff coming out about Farage and currency manipulations, the realization of the sheer complexity of trade deals and leaving the EU on such short notice is coming to people's attention. Thus you have both Labor and Tory for the most part doing what they can to avoid a no deal brexit.

Remainers calling people who voted leave stupid or ignorant roughly two years ago are just making them feel angry, they were given a vote and they voted how they thought best at the time.

Remaining at this point would be best ( even with an EU that is far from perfect ), the WA agreement is rather blah, but much better than a no deal crash out.

@CocoLoco87 good for you. People should never feel ashamed of not knowing something as long as they are prepared to learn and to change their mind if necessary.

I voted leave, if I wanted to live in a town where I heard nothing but foreign voices I'd move. I don't want to be ruled by people I never voted for. I feel we joined a Common Market just to trade not all this

"On our own thread". Lordy Lordy Lordy.
Maybe you need to talk to the op rather than sniping at me @surferjet . This thread is in the Brexit topic. The op looked for Leavers to discuss things with. I and other posters left him/her to it. I gave the op some advice and sympathised with their position. Other poster asked a question "why did anyone vote the way they did". I answered.
Doesn't sound like tyrannical bullying to me. You must be very sensitive.

It’s quite hard to bite one’s tongue sometimes, but I think we need to try to remain polite and respectful. Even when some opinions raise our blood pressure!

Did you not vote in the European elections sonly? Have you always voted in every election and has your preferred candidate and party always won?

If you are someone protected from the predicted economic downturn (be it hiccup or catastrophe) then I might be able to see the attraction of gambling on leave.

We have a disabled child and a parent with cancer and definitely don't see any upside to Brexit^^ in any form. Public services are already under an almighty strain following austerity - it's not going to improve following a no deal scenario.

I'm pretty sure this is a public internet forum so anybody can reply

If leavers went on your Westminster threads everyday & called you traitors & enemies of the people, after a few days you’d be sick of it - sick of the mindless interruptions & you’d be calling ‘troll’ all over the place & your fingers would be red from hitting the report button.
We don’t do that ( I certainly don’t anyway ) we leave you alone to chat in peace, it’s called respecting other forum users.
Forum etiquette if you like.
It’s a shame you can’t be more responsible forum users and let leavers have one thread to themselves - I mean, it’s not like you haven’t asked the same questions 3000 times is it?
Surely boredom would have kicked in by now if nothing else.

I've always voted in every election it's something I feel very strongly about

@surferjet show me where I have called the op a traitor or stupid. Or where anyone has done that.

It’s quite hard to bite one’s tongue sometimes

How about you just hide this thread? It’s really easy, I’ll explain how you do it if you like, because I hide 99% of remainers threads.

If leavers went on your Westminster threads everyday & called you traitors & enemies of the people, after a few days you’d be sick of it - sick of the mindless interruptions & you’d be calling ‘troll’ all over the place & your fingers would be red from hitting the report button.

There's often been trolling but they quickly give up because they don't like it when people respond factually.

I don't mind having my views challenged, it happens all the time in my work place. I'm happy to change my mind if necessary, but you have to work a bit harder than just shouting "GO AWAY" and calling people's posts vomit-inducing.

@surferjet as I have said on other threads, I voted Remain but reluctantly support WA as the least worst version of Leave because the referendum majority was for Leave.
I am also a prepper and happy to advise people who want to build a buffer into their food stores.
I see it as the one constructive thing I can do on these threads. and so I do it. I flatter myself that some people have found it useful.
Only you seem to get in a Taz from Tasmania fury at everyone who isn't you.

I’m fine.
Just sick of you hijacking every leavers thread.
Maybe you need to ask yourself if you’re ok, ask yourself why you can’t stop interrogating people.
Take a break from the internet maybe? All this arguing can’t be doing you much good.

@surferjet , again. I am regularly on these threads to offer prepper advice to posters that , like all of us, don't know what the feck is going on.
I hate No Deal. I hate Corbyn. I hate ERG. And make no bones about saying so in crude terms if I feel like it.
That's why you see my name in these threads.
I don't see you on these threads doing anything other than getting annoyed with people who aren't you. Very quickly.

* All this arguing can’t be doing you much good.*

On the contrary, as someone who has been completely disenfranchised by Brexit, I find a certain amusement in poking holes in leave arguments .

I don't do it to change minds, because that's mostly impossible, but with the hope of contributing in a small way to the sum of knowledge, and causing the occasional bout of leaver apoplexy.

It looks like surferjet is here to shape the conversation into an argument, which is a shame.

I’m not likely to hide a topic that I’m interested in . I was reading but not posting as I hoped to learn something. A poster asked a question of remain voters and I responded.

The main disappointment, for me, is that she is likely to be putting brexiters off posting. Perhaps this is her aim..?

Horses for courses.

I voted remain, because thought I searched I couldn’t find a leave argument that stood up to scrutiny.

I’ve been on threads before (different name though) setting out potential long term benefits (with a fair wind and competent government), though I still fail to see any benefits in the short term (up to 30 years). I also doubt we have the political class needed to achieve said benefits.

Unlike Bellini I don’t particularly support the WA because I view it as the worst of all possible worlds, and we actually hand power to the EU so far as i can see. If we are set on swiping the pieces off the chessboard, to reset the game, a halfway house option will not do that.

BUT i also acknowledge that unless we remain, the only alternative to the WA currently on the table (hard Brexit) means massive disruption and so people are likely to die. And that’s not hyperbole - whether it’s lack of food, suicide because life got too hard for some, lack of medical professionals and equipment meaning health conditions aren’t treated or well managed, or something else, people will die. It’s just the number that is in question. Austerity has indirectly killed people, as did the financial crash. No reason on earth to think hard Brexit disruption won’t.

Brexit could have been done competently. Our version is not a display of competence.

{ At least we will be able to have bent bananas again.}
This 'story' emanates from some crap made up by lower intelligence 'journalists'.
I know one of the EU negotiators behind this story.
The EU took exception to the ray that the wealthy banana growers were treating their farm workers, and apart from poor wages they would spray the banana plantations with powerful insecticides while the labourers were still working. thus many ended up with various illnesses and some died. In a legal action taken by the EU against a major grower, through the WTO, the growers 'won'. The EU took them to court and eventually the ruling was overturned. the 'grading' of bananas (defining size and shape, as there are many varieties) was necessary. This just just one case of the EU making peoples lives better, or in this case stopping widespread sickness and death.
There is a moral to this tale. Leaving the EU will open up the door to REDUCED safety legislation. The agrichemical industry is HUGE and lobbies very hard against government safety advisors in many countries when they are trying to 'push' various chemicals.
The UK press says things like 'Hormone beef' Chlorinated chicken' and 'GM crops' and it often gets dismissed lightly. Leaving the EU which is one 'bloc' with the highest standards (not perfect) is dangerous to the health of you, and more importantly our children.

I liove how any questions or criticism of reasons is bulliyng

Poor snowflake surferjet, needs her safe space.

Oh and "The EU is too unwieldy" is a soundbite and doesn't actually mean anything. As is the point about the far right, you realise the same parties in Italy were part of the Berlusconi coalition, that the party in Poland formed a government in the 2000s ( quite soon after accession) and that others have been threats for decades too.

Confirmation bias abounds.