Any Leavers here?

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Been reading all these threads on here about Brexit and just wondered if anyone voted Leave?
Fwiw, I did.
If you voted Leave what do you anticipate will happen before 29/03?

Dont be shy, I can't be the only Leaver on here!

1tisILeClerc DNA analysis has shown that there was a large migration of peoples (DNA predominantly shared with the French) at the end of the last ice age around 10,000 years ago (there was still low lying land connecting the UK and Europe until 8200 BC) and another one of Angles and Saxons in the 5th - 8th century AD. The Orcadians share a lot of DNA with Norwegians (unsurprisingly).

DarlingNikita
I used the word ingenious to mean the majority of the people living in that place and time. It may have been strictly incorrect.
{speak the local language when in public}
Meaning that the 'immigrant' as I am in France, is expected to use the local language when talking to locals.
I have no idea what your intentions are on picking me up on what I said but it is rather pathetic considering I have been waiting for 'leavers' to come up with much of substance for over a year.
Talking about immigration now while we wait for the UK to crash out thus fulfilling lever's dreams is only a diversion.

I voted leave.

In retrospect, I wish I hadn't voted at all. It was so easy to get swept up in the leave campaign, and unfortunately after the referendum I starting hearing a different (frightening and racist) side to some family and friends. It seems to have brought out the worst in some people I know. Not all, but some.

I do not tell people how I voted. I regret it.

If there were another referendum I don't know what I would do. Probably not vote as I don't know what would be best for the country. It's a big decision to be in the hands of the whole population.

Started, not starting

1tisILeClerc, thanks for clarifying that you meant using the local language when talking to locals, as opposed to talking among people who share ones (minority) language.

When you get old you find names and their modern implications change.
Someone with goady intent has just started a thread referring to Eire which when I was little was the name for the Republic of Ireland (or at least my school geography books had it as that). Rhodesia is now Zimbabwe etc.

I am not referring to the middle classes. In the UK or other educated workforce it is often better to be on benefits than do a very low paying job. It's true that locals don't want to pick veg or stack shelves overnight. There are usually shortages of labour at this end. At the other end you've got skilled doctors, surgeons etc. that we don't have enough. The people in the middle are a broad base but they include people such as Accounts Clerks up to Finance Managers, Plumbers, Electricians. IMO there isn't a major shortage of these people and do their jobs should not be open to others.

So, if you are a specialist Doctor or you are happy to do seasonal fruit picking then we NEED you. Otherwise we do not have a skill shortage. This is how other, non EU countries deal with their immigration. Industry leaders consult with government and applications are approved for those skill shortages.

Not spouting job and wage nonsense at all thanks. I worked in this field for 17 years.

Ola! Good to see the reasoned debate is still continuing and I'm just butting in between going from one (boring) NMW job to the next to give another reason I voted to Leave; unlike Boris I don't go 'out' as such - just a boring LP who prioritized her ds's SN over everything else - thankfully had a very full life prior so I've no regrets:

There is so,so much wrong with the UK - and whilst the EU might exert its positive influences in many ways - we really need to deal with the shit we have, right here in the UK. This is OUR shit and we need to deal with it.

I really think that the UK-Family can sort itself out better if we do it ourselves and I think we can do it quicker relying on our own system of governance.

That said, having been an expat many times, the UK - the actual land, the geography, the people is something that I really, really appreciate and so I know we can get our shit together.

I'll be back later - just off to work on some gig-economy/less than NMW work to keep the bills paid.

There is so,so much wrong with the UK - and whilst the EU might exert its positive influences in many ways - we really need to deal with the shit we have, right here in the UK. This is OUR shit and we need to deal with it.

I can’t disagree with that hate but seriously, how do you think crippling the UK economy by removing frictionless trade is going to help?

We could and should have sorted this sooner.

Cutting off our arms and legs is not the answer.

Leaving will make things much worse.

"The UK though does have immigration all wrong. ... couldn't just decide to go and work there. You had to go through months of strict application and you were rejected if it was thought that a local could do that job. "

That describes what I had to do to be able to work in the UK. I know others who had to do similar. I can't recommend the experience.

Bear because not all problems are described and solved in economic ways - there are so many other things to consider too - including humans and humanity.

Fine - So how does Leaving the EU help with humans and humanity?

How does it not?

Stop talking in riddles.

How does Leaving the EU help humans and humanity?

Presumably just British ones.

I really think that the UK-Family can sort itself out better if we do it ourselves and I think we can do it quicker relying on our own system of governance

Really? so pre 1973 the UK was a land of milk and honey? Leyland didn't exist and the decline of the UK ship building, Motorcycles, the collapse of law an order in Ulster, the 3 day week, shit pumped out onto UK beaches etc etc etc non of this happened? i imagined it all?

You are putting your faith into the same old political systems and politicians that have fcuked over the UK for generations, in some vain hope that "somehow" if you really really believe, it will all change?

Good luck.

The utter bollocks that is being spouted now, even at this late stage, is truly astounding.

My personal favourite today was the gem about it all being fine because we’re leaving near the summer so it’s all going to be fine if we just all holiday at home.

You can’t argue or even discuss this shite.

So, Humanity as a whole will be better outside the EU.

There - I’ve said it so it must be true - that’s how this is working now isn’t it?

I'm curious why is the EU so great?

It’s not sonly but it’s not so bad we need to make ourselves worse off in order to escape.

It’s the worlds largest trading bloc and being a member of it has more pros than cons.

Unless you just hate foreigners, then it doesn’t matter.

It's not a riddle -it's a question. Well, thinking a bit outside of your economic, statistic, flat-earthy-box it is well known that people tend to pull together and work together in the face of difficulties.

Could you explain your presumption a bit further about "just British ones"? What do you mean by 'British' - everyone in the UK but no one else; everyone that was born in "Britain" but lives wherever? You aren't very clear on that - just as well as I don't give a flyin bout that really.

I didn't know that only Hawaiians were 'allowed' to hula and the new hula these Islands can make - when we get our rythym - can be hula'ad round the world. There's a lot of old-time Peaceniks still around you know.

Back later - just stopped for food and a read - off to earn a little penny to pay the bills. The Bills, The Bills.....

It's not a riddle -it's a question. Well, thinking a bit outside of your economic, statistic, flat-earthy-box it is well known that people tend to pull together and work together in the face of difficulties.

Why do we need to ‘face difficulties’?

Things weren’t great before - how exactly is making them worse going to help?

All this British spirit shite is infuriating.

As for the rest of your post - I’m baffled.

I'm curious why is the EU so great?

Its not but walking away from the UK's and the worlds biggest trading bloc with SFA to replace it, is beyond stupid.

Would you dismantle your roof because it had a small leak before you had a roofing contractor ready to go, in the hope it wont rain for 5 years?

Also, co-op is the name of the game now, outside of the US and China, no country can build its own fighters, GPS systems, develop major new med treatments, scientific breakthroughs or build major infrastructure.

Oh for crying out loud! So now we have the argument that if only we make things a whole lot worse, everyone will all pull together in the plucky spirit of good old Blighty and all will be roses...

No, what will happen is that your brightest and best will get the visas to work in other countries where life is less shit and you'll be the sick man of Europe again. Thank God my DDs and I have the means to leave. The UK, that is.

it is well known that people tend to pull together and work together in the face of difficulties

No they don't at all, the strong come to the fore and weak, well they die or are ignored.

Darwinism in action or if you prefer look at pre welfare state.

Don’t you ever think about what could have been achieved if all that money hadn’t had to be diverted to this pointless fiasco?

Bear Don't think Hatels is much of a thinker, feelings? yes.

Of course having been told in 2017 there is no money (by May) to increase Nurse pay, rather odd that we've now a veritable forest of Magic Money Trees.