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Westministenders: Teetering on the edge

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RedToothBrush · 05/01/2019 12:11

12 weeks to go.

There is rising confidence in the Extreme Brexiteer camp as well as open comments about how they can deliberately force through No Deal. Remember No Deal is the default. Every political crisis that takes up time makes no deal more likely and the ERG can just be obstructive to facilitate a political crisis. Parliament DO NOT have the ultimate power to stop Brexit - unless the government effectively allow an option to do so. And there is no sign May will let this ever happen. No Deal takes us back to pre-industrial revolution Britain in many social and economic ways. Which will please Jacob Rees-Mogg no end.

No Deal prep is now costing us a fortune - and is no where near sufficient in its scope. Won't someone think of all the extra that could have been put into the NHS.

Parliament returns next week. I hope you have enjoyed your Christmas break. What will happen in 2019 no one knows; the only certainity is turbulance and lurching from crisis to crisis. If we don't get hit by Brexit, maybe it will be the US shutdown crisis or the collaspe in the Chinese economy that will get us. Economists are nervous and thats generally not a good thing for the average person on the street.

Time to get in the euros, stock up on the tomatoes, invest in books and otherwise batten down the hatches financially whilst we await the coming storm in the hope that the forecasters are as good as Michael Fish in 1987.

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RedToothBrush · 08/01/2019 16:29

Joe Miller @ joemillerjr
NEW: The mayor of Ostend has told the BBC that it is “impossible” for the Belgian port to be ready for a new ferry line in time for #Brexit.

He’s going to Ramsgate next week to discuss the situation with "all the stakeholders".

#Seaborne #SeaborneFreight

Hahahaha!

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HesterThrale · 08/01/2019 16:38

We need a lot more dissenters to go public.

Former Tory MEP defects to Lib Dems to fight for People’s Vote on Brexit

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/former-tory-mep-christopher-beazley-defects-to-lib-dems-to-fight-for-peoples-vote-on-brexit-1-5843976

prettybird · 08/01/2019 16:39

Following on from Farage's outrageous dog-whistle racist anti - refugee immigration poster, here is a better iteration just waiting to be shared Grin

Wozza @Wozric

Some one help please, mock up a Breaking Point poster with these lorries instead of refugees. Call it Braking Point. Keep Farage standing in front of it.
12:03 PM - 7 Jan 2019

Westministenders: Teetering on the edge
Ta1kinPeace · 08/01/2019 17:03

Prettybird
I like that Smile

Mrsr8 · 08/01/2019 17:05

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ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 08/01/2019 17:09

Love the poster prettybird

lonelyplanetmum · 08/01/2019 17:20

14 MPs turn up to discuss UN report on 14 million people living in poverty
And yes that includes labour MPs too.

The UN highlighting the embarrassment of the former 5 th top performing economy. This is the real crisis. It's nothing to do with the EU or immigration, it's to do with the successive government policy that we have endorsed, and still do.

thecatfromjapan · 08/01/2019 17:26

Various Twitter sources are reporting Corbyn is to give big speech on Brexit in Yorkshire on Thursday.

And it won't mark a shift towards Remain or a PV.

Anyone know any more about this?

DGRossetti · 08/01/2019 17:28

Various Twitter sources are reporting Corbyn is to give big speech on Brexit in Yorkshire on Thursday. And it won't mark a shift towards Remain or a PV.

Why would it ? As things stand, what's he losing ?

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 08/01/2019 18:07

Why would it ? As things stand, what's he losing ?

Well, aside from the obvious loss of respect from many who might have otherwise supported him I’d say, like most of the population, he stands to lose a lot.

When Napoleon said never interfere with your enemy when he’s in the process of destroying himself I’m pretty sure he wasn’t a passenger in a plane plummeting towards earth, piloted by an enemy who had deliberately put it into a tailspin and was now stubbornly refusing to pull out of it. I’d say it’s time to interfere.

Hazardswan · 08/01/2019 18:32

Uh i have no idea why JC even bothers to speak anymore. Such a useless fecker.

DGRossetti · 08/01/2019 18:36

Well, aside from the obvious loss of respect from many who might have otherwise supported him I’d say, like most of the population, he stands to lose a lot.

But respect doesn't win elections. Crosses in boxes do. Until we get a chance to put a cross in a box, it's all moot. Unless Corbyn is caught eating babies and throwing the bones out of the window, what people think doesn't really matter.

I’d say it’s time to interfere.

But given you can't (interfere; you can certainly suggest it) , it's also moot. And one thing you cannot deny is that Corbyn has been doing this a lot longer than some (although you could discuss how well Grin )

lonelyplanetmum · 08/01/2019 18:45

Various Twitter sources are reporting Corbyn is to give big speech on Brexit in Yorkshire on Thursday.

Hilarious when TM and JC make their token fleeting Northern trips to Liverpool and God's own in the space of a week. Great minds think alike and all that.

1tisILeClerc · 08/01/2019 18:48

They are just checking that everywhere outside the M25 hasn't already been stolen.

1tisILeClerc · 08/01/2019 18:51

I was wondering if anything may happen this evening and now see we have drone chaos at Heathrow.

Loletta · 08/01/2019 18:53

From Robert Peston on FB:

Here is what I have learned about this morning's cabinet meeting

1) The prime minister is still refusing to rule out a no-deal Brexit, in spite of pressure to do so from a number of ministers - but most notably from the Work and Pensions Secretary of State, Amber Rudd.
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In respect of May's attitude to no-deal, the PM was "inscrutable as always", according to one of those in the meeting. ^

But another has told me that Theresa May confirmed she would make a statement if her deal is - as expected - rejected by MPs next week.

No minister expects her to announce at that juncture that the UK will go full steam ahead to exit from the EU on 29 March without a deal, on WTO rules. So her colleagues feel there has been some unspoken movement by her away from no deal.

That said, May continued to insist the only choices are her deal, no deal or no Brexit at all.

2) Andrea Leadsom, the leader of the Commons, urged the PM to "put a vote to the Commons [on Brexit] next week that we can win, and then take that to the EU".

This is code for amending the motion for the so-called meaningful vote on May's Brexit plan so that it would either make entering and exiting the Northern Ireland backstop a prerogative of the UK parliament or to stipulate that parliamentary approval of the Brexit deal would require the EU to drop the backstop.

According to one minister the suggestion "did not land well"; another said it was met with "stony silence".

I deduce that the idea of the government putting down or supporting such an amendment is dead (not least because Theresa May has been advised that if EU leaders are held to ransom in that way, they will tell her to hop off).

3) Before the Brexit discussion, the home secretary Sajid Javid gave an update on the Channel refugee crisis, and said he would enforce so-called EU "Dublin" rules to return those seeking asylum to the country where they first arrived in the EU.

The Chancellor then asked him whether that would be possible "if we leave the EU without a deal".

I am told that Javid said "no".

According to a minister, "that was the chancellor making it tricky for Saj, and the Saj not thinking on his feet".

What then surprised the home secretary's colleagues is that later in the meeting "he went hard [in favour] of no deal".

4) I deduce from all of this confirmation of one big thing I've been saying for days: no one in the Cabinet knows what the PM will do if, as expected, she loses the vote on her Brexit plan next week.

And, truthfully, I am beginning to wonder if she knows what she'll do.

lonelyplanetmum · 08/01/2019 19:00

In TMs Article 50 letter way back when she or Nick Timothy made veiled threats that Europe needs Britain’s military and security prowess saying that our expertise came at an economic price. She said

" We want to make sure that Europe remains strong and prosperous and is capable of projecting its values, leading in the world, and defending itself from security threats … We therefore believe it is necessary to agree the terms of our future partnership alongside those of our withdrawal from the European Union."

And

" In security terms a failure to reach agreement would mean our cooperation in the fight against crime ,and terrorism would be weakened."

If only she'd mentioned our drone management expertise, who'd want to be without our skillage there?

BiglyBadgers · 08/01/2019 19:06

Cooper's amendment has passed I see.

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lonelyplanetmum · 08/01/2019 19:08

The amendment to a key government bill was tabled by home affairs committee chair Yvette Cooper and supported by 303 MPs to 296.
It prevents ministers from introducing new tax-raises in the case of a no-deal Brexit unless MPs have specifically voted in favour of leaving the EU without an agreement.

Hazardswan · 08/01/2019 19:12

Whoop whoop! Go Cooper! One amendment down...several more to go?!

bellinisurge · 08/01/2019 19:16

I'm with you @Hazardswan !
And YC!

RedToothBrush · 08/01/2019 19:17

It prevents ministers from introducing new tax-raises in the case of a no-deal Brexit unless MPs have specifically voted in favour of leaving the EU without an agreement.

Ah so no money for the NHS 'as was promised' if there is a short term issue with no deal and the economy.

Lets hope thats not a pyrrhic victory for the opposition, cos that sure as hell looks like an amendment with a potential self harming sting in the tail.

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Hazardswan · 08/01/2019 19:21

It's a risk yes, the bucket metaphor is accurate but this is the first bucket and there's more to come.

@bellini I feel like I'm watching football and my team scored a goal Grin want to kiss a bald man on the forhead.

BiglyBadgers · 08/01/2019 19:25

I assumed that by 'new tax rises' that excluded any already planned to pay for budget promises

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