Westministenders: Teetering on the edge

[RedToothBrush]

12 weeks to go.

There is rising confidence in the Extreme Brexiteer camp as well as open comments about how they can deliberately force through No Deal. Remember No Deal is the default. Every political crisis that takes up time makes no deal more likely and the ERG can just be obstructive to facilitate a political crisis. Parliament DO NOT have the ultimate power to stop Brexit - unless the government effectively allow an option to do so. And there is no sign May will let this ever happen. No Deal takes us back to pre-industrial revolution Britain in many social and economic ways. Which will please Jacob Rees-Mogg no end.

No Deal prep is now costing us a fortune - and is no where near sufficient in its scope. Won't someone think of all the extra that could have been put into the NHS.

Parliament returns next week. I hope you have enjoyed your Christmas break. What will happen in 2019 no one knows; the only certainity is turbulance and lurching from crisis to crisis. If we don't get hit by Brexit, maybe it will be the US shutdown crisis or the collaspe in the Chinese economy that will get us. Economists are nervous and thats generally not a good thing for the average person on the street.

Time to get in the euros, stock up on the tomatoes, invest in books and otherwise batten down the hatches financially whilst we await the coming storm in the hope that the forecasters are as good as Michael Fish in 1987.

Agree with Corbyn shocker:

The government is trying to run down the clock in an attempt to blackmail this House, and the country, into supporting a botched deal. [May] has refused to work with the majority in the last few months in a desperate attempt to spark life into what is actually a Frankenstein’s monster of a deal. We are now told, if we don’t support it, the government is prepared to push our whole economy off a cliff edge. And, to prove this, no-deal preparations are underway ...

Even today, we see the farce of lorries being lined up to stage a fake traffic jam in Kent to pretend to the EU that the government is ready for a no deal ...

The government is fooling nobody. These shambolic preparations are too little, too late. The reality is there is no majority in this House to support no deal. Why won’t the government face up to this truth and stop wasting our time and our money?

News from Planet Wetherspoon ...

And I suspect some posters won't be unhappy at a flash of Galsworthy ...

DGR
My friends are watching these ..... he has failed to show a couple already

Headline on Bloomberg: EY reporting $1 trillion of assets to be moved out of London by banks / insurers / money managers due to uncertainty. (Firms don't want to move the business but they are forced to).

Consulting firm EY said its estimate may be low, because many firms haven’t publicly declared the value of assets being transferred. According to another group’s estimate, as much as 800 billion euros of balance-sheet assets could move to Frankfurt alone. EY said its “conservative” estimate is based on statements from 20 companies that have announced a transfer of assets out of London

More than 7,000 jobs could relocate from London soon, EY said, though companies are trying to hire locally because of the costs of moving staff. About 2,000 new roles are being added in Paris, Frankfurt, Dublin and other cities in the European Union by financial firms which so far have been moving only essential staff from London, according to the report.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-07/brexit-spurs-1-trillion-asset-moves-to-eu-from-london-ey-says

😁 @ agree with Corbyn shocker.

Yes. X2

Assuming he had a hand in naming his drinking establishments, I would admit to a grudging hats off to Mr. Martin. And then I notice they're all men, and I realise he's just a twat again.

DGR
My kids drink in 'spoons (much to the annoyance of many of my anti Brexit friends- and the kids are anti Brexit)
but it has to be said .... if you are in a new town, you'll always get a pint of an interesting beer in a 'spoons
while watching impoverished students getting jugs of cocktails delivered to their tables via the app

twitter.com/carldinnen/status/1082330295544807425?s=19

BREAKING New headache for the Government. Yvette Cooper’s amendment blocking no deal #brexit policy making has been selected for debate.

{The government is trying to run down the clock in an attempt to blackmail this House, and the country, into supporting a botched deal.}

Is anyone else getting as angry as me that people who OUGHT to know better are still calling the WA a 'deal'?
It's a 'roadmap' listing the subject areas that need negotiation.

I've noticed before reports that hundreds of billions are being moved .... but only a few 1000 job losses or transfers.
afaik, after Brexit the London staff can't manage that $trillion that's been moved to the E27

maybe the worst case report 2 years ago of 70k jobs going is soething that would only definitely happen if Brexit, or at least No Deal Brexit happens.

There's a saying I noted from a Mary Stewart book (although it seems so apposite that I'm sure it's got "form") about not discarding a tool because you don't like the design.

Which for me, would cover taking advantage of Tim Martins cheap beer, whilst simultaneously calling him a cunt. I guess it's a loose reversal of the racists who happily go for an Indian ?

I've noticed before reports that hundreds of billions are being moved .... but only a few 1000 job losses or transfers.

Well the British are notoriously inefficient. Maybe you only need 1 Euro worker to replace 2 Brits ?

Leclerc Any legal treaty, which has been negotiated between 2 or more parties - like the WA - can be referred to as a "deal,"

It's convenient shorthand, so long as people realise it is only the "leaving or interim deal" which settles accounts and outstanding obligations and gives an inital transition period

and that the deal for the future relationship, especially trade, is what would be negotiate during a probably much extended transition.

cat I'm not even a member of the Labour party let alone momentum but even if they are a minority of the membership Corbyn has still won multiple leadership elections with strong majorities, so I would assume it is a majority of the party who support his policies. It's therefore not a surprise that MPs pushing blairite views would end up not getting selected again by party members. Just because Corbyn supporters get themselves out there, attend meetings and vote doesn't make them terrible. Surely it makes them engaged. If people who support the incumbent MP aren't as engaged and organised then ...well...that's what happens in elections since the beginning of time. I think it's a bit unreasonable to tell momentum they should just stop turning up to meetings and voting as if their democratic right because nobody else does so it's just not fair.

Scousers 2 finger salute to Theresa:

twitter.com/Think_Become/status/1082252389283958784

{Any legal treaty, which has been negotiated between 2 or more parties - like the WA - can be referred to as a "deal,"
It's convenient shorthand,}
I regard it as an inconvenient shorthand in that those who are only taking a cursory look at Brexit think it is the full Monty and that is all to be done.
It should have had a different title to set it apart from whatever the final outcome will be.
I believe, although happy to be corrected by anyone who has read the WA end to end, that during the transition period triggered by the WA signing that ultimately the UK can be 'hard out' through to 'practically in' (although being a rule taker) or if some great minds got together they would request for the UK to get back in properly, after all apart from revoking it could reapply after some years. I anticipate the EU will have changed in 10 years so it might be more of an acceptable option to reenter.

{Scousers 2 finger salute to Theresa:
Those Gillets Jaunes get everywhere.
They couldn't have been real Scousers, the cars weren't on bricks.
(Don't take offense guys I am only kidding).

(unlike moron, cretin, brain-dead, Brexiteers) ..... Is this really necessary?

And I certainly object to the C word

Sos...keep calm, cool and collected and eat cake.......

leclerc There is another name for the current deal: the WA !

I always refer to the WA and the longterm deal, btw, for clarity

The WA is a legal agreement to "cleanly" end our EU membership

The WA is a prerequisite to avoid disaster and humiliation.
Without it, there will be no transition, just an economic recession and we will be in a very much weaker position to negotiate the longterm deal.

bigly Labour supporters made an image of Corbyn that was what they wanted him to be, not what he is
Finally, the penny has dropped for many

70% of Labour members and 90% of Labour voters want to Remain.
So Corbyn is seriously out of touch with his party and his voters.
Finally, they realise this.

Hence it is natural that Labour are not doing well in the polls
and that ordinary members and MPs are rebelling

if he forces Labour to keep supporting Brexit and it actually happens, it looks like Labour will be decimated at the following GE.

Corbyn is driving Labour over a cliff, just like May is driving the country over

Both need to think and blink

Ah Sos embrace the C word ! remembers an awkward car trip with DH and the little frumpties when radio 4 did a whole programme on the word

Corbyn's approval ratings on how he is handling Brexit amongst Labour members is surprisingly high.

However its not reflective of the general public. And that's a problem.

BCF
{leclerc There is another name for the current deal: the WA ! }
I know what it is but what I was getting at was that the press and radio/TV are not making it clear so those who are only part engaged get the impression it is 'the thing'. It is only the end of the start, and not yet the end of the start,,,,, or something!