WA or No Deal?

[bellinisurge]

Asked this on a few Brexit threads and didn't get an answer so asking it separately.
Bored of listening to bad winners whining about Juncker and evil EU and all that tedious bollocks. It's come down to this binary question and which is it.
As someone who voted Remain, I prefer shit deal over no Deal.
No Deal would be a humanitarian catastrophe.
Which is it for you?

No, 1 was.

I said on my thread that got deleted, because of ppl jumping on me and you were on it, so you read it. That I know full well that the EU was not the cause of my problems, but that the UK government misused the EU to ignore people like me or say 'it's all there for you if you just apply', so I felt that getting out of the EU and making those who benefitted a huge amount from it sit on the wood a bit, they would be angry about the divides in the UK and we could all work together, for a better, more equal society.

So you basically thought you'd have a go at making people as miserable as you are... No, still no sympathy. A No Deal Brexit will endanger supplies of essential medication. I have a friend whose 10 yo DD is dependent on insulin. There are many people like her. The fact that you seem to be willing to take that risk says it all.

Apart from that your motivation also seems spiced by a breathtaking level of naivety. The government did not 'misuse the EU'. They pushed ahead with the austerity agenda, entirely legally, because people voted for it and because the UK had this thing called sovereignty that allowed them to do it.

1, that is and never was my vision of leaving btw. See, this is why no tries to explain their choice, because people like you have one view of us and you need us to be the whipping post, rather than living people with a different experience and viewpoint.

Pointy, you obviously think I'm a twat. I've heard you and respect your right to think that. Just stop directing questions at me if you don't want an answer. I highly doubt, our diabetic leader will let insulin supplies run out though.

Pointy, are you not reading what I actually said or just making up your own narriative, because no leaver could ever not be a thick racist? I KNOW THE CONSERVATIVES IMPLEMENTED AUSTERITY AND NOT THE EU BUT THE EU FUNDING WAS USED BY THE GOV AS A SMOKESCREEN TO SAY OH YOUR COMMUNITY NEEDS SOMETHING, THE EU HAS MONEY FOR THAT!

viewfrommyworld but if you believe they operated like that, why in the world did you think leaving the EU would achieve anything other than making things worse?

And honestly, if you think TM gives two shits about little girls from poor families who might not get their insulin, you really are naive.

I also don't think you are thick or a racist. Just politically naive.

Just wondering, if Brexit was going superbly well instead of being an utter shitshow, with for example floods of trade deals, booming economy, blooming NHS and so on (feel free to insert personal vision of successful Brexit) , whether Leave voters would be going "Aw shucks, wasn't just little ol' me and my little ol' vote, it was a shared triumph of Leavers and Remainers"?

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Of course not.
Good ideas belong to everybody.
Bad ideas belong to "them"

{And honestly, if you think TM gives two shits about little girls from poor families who might not get their insulin, you really are naive.}
There are people, civil servants, whose job it is to estimate the risk of various actions that the government may take. Among the things that are estimated are how many will die if such an action is taken.
Ministers and certainly the prime minister factor this into their decisions. At a certain level, the people of the UK are just numbers.
Admittedly it is in the USA, but when the military start operations to try and clear terrorists from a village somewhere in Africa (dealing with ISIS perhaps) they have lawyers watching over their shoulders working out how far they can go before being sued, and what the political repercussions might be.

@Justheretogiveaviewfrommyworld just stop painting yourself as a victim.

You made a point. Other posters think you are wrong and have explained why they think you are wrong, in detail.

You are entitled to your view and other people are entitled to think you are wrong.

Your view point and experience is different to other people, they accept that but still think your arguments are weak and you are wrong.

People have listened to you and understand what you are saying but they still think your arguments are weak and you are wrong.

You can use shouty capitals but posters still think your arguments are weak and you are wrong.

Nobody dislikes you, nobody thinks you are stupid but posters do think your arguments are weak and you are wrong.

@Justheretogiveaviewfrommyworld

Well, i get what you are on about!

When you 've very little and no one gives a flying xxxx about you or your community, why is talk about Erasmus, the loss of ehic and the opportunities of (travel/work) via FOM going to get you all excited about the EU?

imho DC should have stayed on, gone back to the EU and said "look, i want exceptions on FOM etc" and come back and sold that to the UK, then launched a redistribution program.
If the EU has said non, his v real threat would be triggering art50.

However, i don't agree that somehow remainers have to share any of the responsibility in this ensuing mess - for that is not with ordinary leave voters but with the extremely wealthy brexitiers and the tory party.

I'm also more hopefully than ever that we could see a revoke or at the v least a PV, Corbyns part here is pivotal ! it shouldn't end there though, we need to address the serious issues of inequality, todays BBC had a head teacher stating that she has to open her school over xmas so kids can eat!!! then a article on hospitals and the millions given away to Carilyon bosses FFS.

Of course TM will still her HER insulin.
The rest of us diabetics on insulin not so much.
Maybe those giant fridges they’ve bought are for bodies not medication?
Certainly I’m not making any plans for after a couple of months post brexit when my insulin supply will be completely gone.

get her insulin

The thing with insulin - and I guess there must be other drugs the same - is that even being without it for a day or two could be lethal. It’s not like symptoms just get a bit worse gradually - without insulin it’s catastrophic fairly quickly. Even if there were only very short term problems getting it t1 diabetics aren’t going to survive.

@cheekysquirrel - I think it's also the quality of insulin issue that worries me. Insulin degrading in transit due to delays and not being kept at the correct temperatures. If the insulin is no good, but it's not cloudy, you don't really have anyway of telling except big variations in blood glucose (which of course can be very dangerous.)