Westministenders: Its Really Not Getting Any Better Is It?

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We are STILL on collision course for no deal.

Christmas is here, and whilst we might appreciate the respite from Brexit News, its really a luxury we can't afford.

The meaningful vote is scheduled for January.

Chaos is scheduled for shortly after.

I wish you all a happy and enjoyable Christmas.

Tory MPs could resign whip if no-deal Brexit becomes primary focus
Anna Soubry, Sarah Wollaston and Nick Boles say they would not be able to back government

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/19/tory-mps-resign-whip-no-deal-brexit-policy-anna-soubry-sarah-wollaston-nick-boles

Agree bellini I just hope they do as they tweet!

Another Tory who would resign the whip in no deal scenario.

At this point, focussing on whether or not JC referred to TM as a stupid woman is clearly the priority .

Man after my own heart...I eat my feelings to David Lammy.

Displacement activity of the highest order.

I have no access to the Times LeClerc, but I imagine death estimates come from this document:
The warning comes in a 16-page planning document entitled “Economic Downturn” prepared for the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP).
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-suicide-warning-if-exit-turns-chaotic-rjlhwb2n0

UK government can't run-down the clock because parliament takes control from 21st Jan if WA not voted on before then. Useful guide on key dates in the run up to 29th March available from BBC. TM appears to be trying to scare parliament and UK population on no deal in order to force WA through but not sure that it's possible given that parliament gave itself control of process if WA not acceptable or not voted on before 21st Jan.

Ta Pain so we have three publically declared, hope more join soon.

^^

But seriously if anyone has one of these as an MP send a thank you email? And if you have a Tory MP email them to say to follow their lead?

Barebones flights between the UK and EU? Jan is usually our busiest time in the travel industry, that's us f*** now I thihk.

ElenadeClermont
Thanks
I have no access either, I was just wondering which info stream it came from. I try SKY, some of the UK press and a bit of French and German press (google translate is my slightly wonky friend!).
Der Spiegel has interesting stuff on other bits of Europe and is available in English.

{Barebones flights between the UK and EU? Jan is usually our busiest time in the travel industry, that's us f* now I thihk.}
The vegetarian option would be OK though.
Actually it is AFTER 29 March it will come into effect unless Mrs May manages to pull the UK out before then.

Yup ... think EU is making no-deal pretty bad for UK ... not pulling punches on customs and tariffs, bare bones air travel as you say. Think they're countering the conception of a "managed no-deal" that seems to have emerged and ensuring that it's going to be messy enough to be noticed.

Never thought I'd say this but me and David Lammy are of one mind. Including the love of chocolate.

Interesting wording from Nick Boles and Sarah Wollaston. They would need a Govt announcement that No Deal was policy to resign Whip etc. That means strategy of run down the clock, prepare for No Deal and fail to get the EU to budge on the Backstop thus achieving No Deal is fine by them.

Fine by me too @howabout . We should accept WA now. There is no budging on the backstop because we need it. Or don't if ERG bullshit about there being a tech solution ready to go is true. Which it isn't. So we need the backstop.

On reflection, EU should have refused UKEU air travel as well for UK based operators if they wanted to be sure that the issue bubbled-up in the UK public consciousness - perhaps there are still a few UK based air operators that are v. necessary for the wider functioning of EU industry and society. Maybe Heathrow & Gatwick still act as transatlantic hubs for many EU air operators as well as UK operators.

How to destroy UK industries by the government. This is disgraceful.

You misunderstand bellini. Nick and Sarah have left themselves wiggle room for "accidental" No Deal.

Yes they have.

As long as the government don't 'announce' that no deal is official policy, they are off the hook on resigning the whip.

The government are launching a full on campaign for No deal in jan, but these two don't seem to be taking the hint.

Adam Fleming
"The legal acts spell out why the EU is being so "generous" on no deal today: they need the access to the UK, which requires reciprocity.
On 🚛 80% of UK/EU27 haulage is provided by EU27 firms
On ✈️ 44.7% of UK/EU27 air traffic is provided by EU27 airlines."

A fellow Scot and just as cynical as me.

On reflection, EU should have refused UKEU air travel as well for UK based operators if they wanted to be sure that the issue bubbled-up in the UK public consciousness

Except the EU have no interest in playing pissing games.

Of course accidental no deal is still possible. Their position is dependent on it being a government policy. But if we get down to the wire and it's the day before, say, then it will be Government policy. But there should be enough MPs on both sides with common sense to get legislation in to stop it.

Accidental no-deal by UK government not really possible given that parliament takes control of exit process from 21st of Jan if WA not passed. Perhaps misunderstanding something but don't see how government can run down the clock right up to 29th Mar without express permission of parliament (not likely) or inaction by parliament (agree this is a more significant possibility).

GE, 2nd Ref, and/or A50 extension or revocation seem more plausible after 21st Jan, no? While many MPs may not like any of these options, it seems most will prefer 1 of these to no-deal?

The government can run down the clock if the 21 Jan vote fails. They can pledge to put it in again. And keep running the clock down until....

David Harris@cellsatwork

At the heart of all the torment is this

• if the UK does not like the PM's deal; and if the UK does not have the will to to put a customs border in the Irish Sea; and if the UK does not have the will for No Deal -

then the UK does not have the will to Brexit

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/no-deal-brexit-travel-warning-dont-go-on-holiday-after-march-29-jnfmrgsj9?fbclid=IwAR0lCHasMxExYoV-SQaphMRdyONDMcbKrCEQXnJMyAz03L9tB8XnZ6_LR40

Can’t read the whole article butbten start of it is interesting to say the least ....

Families will be advised not to book holidays after next March, according to contingency plans being drawn up to prepare for a no-deal Brexit.

The proposed guidance, which will shock the travel industry, was expected to be discussed at last week’s cancelled cabinet meeting, after civil servants were told to ramp up emergency planning.

Senior officials have explored the idea with at least one cabinet minister and discussed the impact that the advice could have on specific tour operators amid fears it might bankrupt them. A leak inquiry was under way in No 10 last night to establish how the proposal became public.

One option is for the government to cover losses to holiday companies, according to a source familiar with the talks. Steps are…

So it seems that have some hols in April’s, just in time for the Easter hol or even afetr that is not such a good idea after all.
Again something we have been saying for ages but was just Project Fear ....