Leave voters? What's your alternative plan for the country if TM's Withdrawal Agreement doesn't get through?

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A small majority of people who voted in the referendum voted Leave. I presume they still want to Leave. How do we do that if the Withdrawal Agreement fails and Parliament has voted through an amendment which allows it to stop No Deal.
Talk me through it ...

Provisions were made. In A50. Same for every member. If we didn't have the self inflicted issue of NI we would have sorted it by now. You should have seen NI in the 70s when we joined. Nothing like the fabulous peace we have now. Which No Deal pisses up against a wall.

The cabinet have been overwhelmingly pro Brexit. TM needed to appease the Brexit supporters and Pro Tory Media to keep the party together. Unfortunately she did not forsee JC being pro Brexit ...it gave the middle of both parties no natural place. Therefore they have come together.

Yes, in a government of remainers. I doubt they are giving free reign to negotiate in any way that they see fit

Every single of one of them - indeed anyone, anywhere in the world - is free to come up with a plan and present it. Nobody has yet. This post is literally asking people “What could a solution be?”

Don’t forget remainers have the threat of no deal Brexit hanging over them.

I don’t know why they weren’t, Weetabix. I wasn’t even born when we joined. The fact that we didn’t doesn’t help us figure out what to do now.
Exactly. And successive governments have led us deeper and deeper into Europe without asking us if that's what we want.

What do you mean by deeper and deeper?

Then the deal that we leave with needs to be the one that enables us to start re building, not one that hobbles us and keeps us tied to the EU, whatever it is.

A small minority??? Really?? 48% of voters voted to remain. Those of us in the 48 deserve a say in what is happening.

A small minority?? I'm stunned

That would be one where we don't trade with them then.

That would be one where we don't trade with them then

And to hell with the Good Friday Agreement...

Pretty sure Thatcher and Major negotiated a load of opt outs so that we don't go "deeper and deeper". Pretty sure Thatcher didn't let them walk all over her. I'm old. I remember that.

So Weetabix, you are - as you have said - entirely happy with the current deal (as you would have been happy with ANY deal as long as it ensured exit from Europe, which was your sole reason for voting Leave) exceopt for the backstop.

What is your proposal for removing the backstop? A border in the Irish sea? A hard border within Ireland? Or a hand-flapping 'Oh, that;'s not my problem, i don't really care, we shouldn't be in this position anyway lalalalalalala'

Are you equally happy with a no deal Brexit, because it means leaving Europe? No issues with that at all, for you, surely? Or is that also 'Well, it's not any good really, this should have been sorted out years ago, i don't know why it wasn't in the original treaty (it is, it;'s called article 50), i don't like the I could have - peace and light and love and leaving Europe and being rich....

To be fair, about a third of people didn't vote.

About a third voted to stay.

About a third voted to leave.

in terms of 'adults of voting age', a minority voted to leave....

What do you mean by deeper and deeper

What started as a common market now looks nothing like that. It will eventually become a United States of Europe, because of the euro and the need to ensure that control can be exercised over fiscal policies and there will no doubt be a European army as well (if there isn't already - Portugese troops in Paris over the weekend).

Where does it end if member states don't start saying no?

Miss Malice this is why what was promised at the referendum was unworkable. You cannot have no convergence on standards aka as bureaucracy or red tape and keep the GFA.

And given the demographics of those who voted to leave, if the votes of those who are still alive were recounted, there may be no majority for leave, even if those who have qualified to vote since the referendum (and will have to live longest with the consequences) were still not allowed to vote...

@Weetabixandshreddies , don't you remember Thatcher? Or Major? Did they not pay attention to it? No, wait a minute, they did. I despised both of them but they had more intelligence any Leave politico that I've heard.

Weetabix
Then the deal that we leave with needs to be the one that enables us to start re building
Rebuilding what ?
What will WTO terms solve ?
What issues need mending that cannot be mended inside the EU?

Leavers love to say nobody warned us
We did
But you would not listen

It will eventually become a United States of Europe, because of the euro and the need to ensure that control can be exercised over fiscal policies and there will no doubt be a European army as well

And the Brexiteers talk about Project Fear, while coming up with scenarios like this, pretending we would have no vote in any of this if we remained part of the EU????

. Those of us in the 48 deserve a say in what is happening.

But in other elections those on the losing side just have to accept it and all the downsides that go with it.

I've never voted Conservative yet I'm having to suffer the years of austerity that they've imposed. I deserve a say in that surely? Or, as we live in a democracy, I have to accept the majority vote?

Where does it end if member states don't start saying no?

But we could and did say no. As a member, we had a veto to these things. As a non-member, we won’t.

Not sure I understand your point about Portuguese troops in Paris. If there were serious riots in London and the Uk army couldn’t meet the demand, should we turn away soldiers from other countries who want to help?

Did you not notice we were not part of the euro,. and had a vote in the European council and generally exercised our right to veto / amend proposals such as this??

Which way did you vote in the proportional representation ref?

If there were serious riots in London and the Uk army couldn’t meet the demand, should we turn away soldiers from other countries who want to help?

Err, yes.

But in other elections those on the losing side just have to accept it and all the downsides that go with it.

To some extent yes, but also there are likely to be some members of the party that you voted wanted to be in power to provide some sense of balance. You can also lobby your MP on every single issue you want to. You also get to vote again in local elections. You also get another shot in the general elections whenever they come up.

Even if we voted to eventually rejoin the EU 5/10/50 years down the line, we will never, ever get back the benefits we currently have.

We should turn away soldiers? And leave the streets to descend into anarchy?

Why?