Leave voters? What's your alternative plan for the country if TM's Withdrawal Agreement doesn't get through?

[bellinisurge]

A small majority of people who voted in the referendum voted Leave. I presume they still want to Leave. How do we do that if the Withdrawal Agreement fails and Parliament has voted through an amendment which allows it to stop No Deal.
Talk me through it ...

And what about the Good Friday agreement jam? Peace in NI is less important than appeasing the DUP/Tory morons?

I cant believe an answer cant be found.

if we forget the backstop.

What do you think the backstop is there for?

'the DUP and the Tory morons'

Whatevs

"Forget the backstop " ... little matter of NI. Any ideas? No .. ? Thought not.

Dont need the backstop because all the grown ups want a deal. On both sides. You tell me why we need it?

if we forget the backstop.

Learn about it and come up with some ideas then..?

You want the backstop because its rubbish and you want to remain. So for you we need a backstop because nobody likes it and you probably think it means we will get a 2nd ref or GE. So transparent.

Did you see, from any Leave campaigner, a full and detailed plan?
Did you just assume someone, somewhere had one?

I didn't see any detailed arguments from the remain side as to why we should stay either. And in all honesty, I don't think it's so foolish to trust that a government would have a plan in place to cope with any result of a referendum that they granted.

Be a bit different if after the ref the Tories had bogged off and left Labour to deal with it, but they didn't.
If the Tories weren't able to manage then they should have said as much and called another election.

@blackcurrantjam

I hope you’re right about that. But has anyone made any concrete proposals? I might not be aware of them, to be fair, but it’s seems not.

This thing went off the rails the minute it hit the good Friday agreement and, as far as I can see, nobody has offered a potential solution. They can’t even agree on how to kick the can down the road...

I wouldn’t say I have unshakable confidence in these people to have the ability to sort it out.

Learn about it.

Condescending much?

Govey make a good point that EU super doesn't like backstop, too. It gives Uk lots of access to SM & CU without paying for it.

No - not condescending, although I did copy the wrong part of your post. I was referring to you saying you couldn’t believe there wasn’t a solution. Nobody else has been able to come up with one yet. You’re welcome to try.

"condescending much" Not really showing a lot of maturity there.

Def condescending. 'Learn about it' pfff. Condescending.

And u bellini. So much of your chat is offensive and condescending. And catastrophic. Hence the prepping.

I want the backstop because I don't think the far right (Tories, Kippers, DUP, Fail, etc) should be allowed to threaten a hard fought for peace in NI.

I want the backstop because I don't want to return to bombings and paramilitary activity.

I want the backstop because the U.K. signed up to the Good Friday Agreement and we should uphold our international agreements otherwise we won't be trusted to do anything on the international stage because we can't act in good faith.

Why do people not want the backstop? Baffles me that people think this is a minor thing we should just not agree to.

The level of understanding regarding the need for the backstop is demonstrated by posters suggestions for not having one. If they knew why it was there, and understood, then phrases like 'there's no need' or 'there must be a way', or 'just don't put a border there' would never appear. Hence the need for learning.

Honestly Weetabix a significant part of why I voted to remain - to stay with what we know was because the Leave campaign was unable/unwilling to demonstrate that leaving would be safe, or make us better off, or that they had any kind of plan.

Far better to vote remain for now, knowing what the consequences are - that to vote for some unclear, undefined pipe dream. I have very little positive to say about David Cameron but he didn’t want to leave the EU, it wasn’t his responsibility to come up with a plan. He gave a voice to those who wanted to leave. It was their responsibility to come up with and execute an effective plan. They didn’t. They ran away.

You cannot insist you want something, that a plan is possible, that it benefits us and then do nothing to put it in place and all the while blame those who didnt want that thing for the plan not happening. That’s absurd.

@blackcurrantjam , disagreeing with you doesn't equal condescending. It speaks volumes about you if you think it does.

Okay so if you don’t need to learn about it - what’s the solution?

jm90914

What do both sides expect to do after the backstop if we do go into it and then still can't find a deal? At some point, both sides will have to meet in the middle and sort it out so we can just have an easy relationship. Might as well be before 2020.

EU will have to compromise on their 'integrity of single market's worries as this is clearly a special case.

NI and Rep of Ireland will have to agree to watch out for smuggling goods etc and chill on the 'insertion of ways of checking stuff/people'.

For example.

*@blackcurrantjam *
EU will have to compromise
Since we've decided to leave the EU, why do they have to compromise?

You can disagree without being condescending. It's called respect. Which I see little of in a few of the regulars posts from the grumpy remainers on this MN Brexit forum. Derision, dismissal, generalisations, deflection, paternalism, no acknowledgment and so on, is the order of the day. Yuk.

Jason118 why on earth shouldn't they? So their citizens can have access to our market, security, education, and so on.