Leave voters? What's your alternative plan for the country if TM's Withdrawal Agreement doesn't get through?

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A small majority of people who voted in the referendum voted Leave. I presume they still want to Leave. How do we do that if the Withdrawal Agreement fails and Parliament has voted through an amendment which allows it to stop No Deal.
Talk me through it ...

Immediately after the referendum results Armageddon was supposed to have begun

Said who

TheElementsSong, you are too clever for me. Your logic escapes me. I bow out. You clearly get the issue over the backstop and why it did not deliver on "taking back control"? I'm sure you do. So as I said, I can't follow your logic. Bonsoir!

What did I say? It's like my cat when she hunts her own tail, then looks furiously at me when she's clawed it herself

Weightsandmeasures Sure you were a remainer Pull the other one and if I hear the phrase Will of the people again I think I’ll puke ....

Democracy. Leave won. Let's get on with leaving. I'd vote leave in another referendum even if I voted remain the last time.

It really is that simple. Like I said, the Remain side is made up of the UK's most intelligent and vocal people. I'm now firmly with the SILENT majority.

I have grown tired with listening to the endless complaining of those who voted to remain. I often listened to LBC radio and now I can't bear it.

I just want the UK to leave. Respect the vote and let's get out.

How very dare people vocalise!

I just want the UK to leave. Respect the vote and let's get out.
Do you want to leave the single market?
Do you want to cancel all Freedom of movement?
Are you happy that the UK will become the only country in the world trading wholly under the thumb of the WTO?

Just a wall of bloody sound bites ...

Herman, yes I was a remainer. So too was my husband and many of my friends. I turned about 3 weeks ago when a colleague said something that resonated with me; it was the point on democracy. He voted remain but said he would vote Leave this time. Like me he is not from the UK. He is from a different part of the world, one not known for democracy.

Voting leave after having voted remain - how is that democratic?

That like voting for the Tories if you voted Labour but Labour lost.

Makes no sense.

No Dea. WTO rules. Nothing is perfect but now I think that is the best route. That's my view and that of many others. If you don't like it, I can respect that. Like all other alternatives there are downside.

I've voted Tories after voting Labour. I'll vote Leave after voting remain. Your view of democracy is suspect. Me changing my mind and exercising my vote is very much part of the democratic process.

In fact Remainers are hoping that many Leavers change their mind and vote Remain in a new referendum but I'm glad to see that you don't think this would be democratic.

What a mess!

weightsandmeasures
so the unelected bureacrats of the WTO in Geneva are better than the EU?
and risking veto by any one of 168 countries is better than risking veto by one of 27?
and the fact that WTO does not cover services - the UK's great wealth creator ?

but they cannot expect Parliament to undermine democracy

How can our sovereign parliament, the font of our democracy, undermine democracy when it votes democratically?

The total lack of logic and understanding of the U.K. system beggars belief.

Brexit supporters want a sovereign parliament but utterly fail to understand how it works.

The total lack of logic and understanding of the U.K. system beggars belief.

I tried to engage with this earlier but I think we were speaking two different languages

Awesome, then we should have no concerns about holding another referendum with a Remain option, right? Right?

By all means have one but then that one too will also be advisory, or maybe you want to add a clause that says future EU ref will be advisory until such time as remain win at which point it then becomes set in stone? A second ref is not going to happen.

"Immediately after the referendum results Armageddon was supposed to have begun."
Said who.

Are they just saying stuff for shits and giggles at Kent Country Council?

Dear oh dear. I give up.

Please read up on WTO.

As for Parliament undermining democracy; I think you are well aware of the risk here. The people vote Leave. That is what it must deliver on. If it chose to Remain that is clearly an affront to the democratic will of the people. Parliament would be acting against the people and not FOR the people.

Seriously, good night. We're getting nowhere except me getting more indignant about leaving the EU. I think I've just grown tired with the efforts to undermine democracy.

I'll continue to follow the developments with interest.

Me changing my mind and exercising my vote is very much part of the democratic process

Er no you’re making out that we should just roll over and accept it and vote for it - because that’s democracy 🤔

Democracy is about being able to exercise our right to vote. And to be able to speak out when we don’t agree.

We don’t live in a dictatorship.

I voted remain. I think and can see that leaving is a disaster. And I also see that the referendum results are coloured by the dodgy election spending. Lies were told and people voted on lies.

Disgusting.

maybe you want

I lost, remember? I should STFU, turn into chopped liver, cease to exist except as a theoretical minuscule percentage; also flop about supinely like a stranded jellyfish whimpering "not my responsibility"... oh sorry, that last one is what the winners should do...

I wouldn’t mind leaving the EU if anyone could offer concrete assurances.

I’ve seen none. Nowhere. I keep looking.

So as there are none I’m going to keep shouting about it even when we leave. Which I expect to happen.

And the leavers who bleat about how it badly it turns out when we do leave can fuck off. As they fucked us all.

I wouldn’t mind leaving the EU if anyone could offer concrete assurances.
Ok. I'll play. What concrete assurances can you give me if we remain?

Please read up on WTO.
I have done .... have you ?

The people vote Leave. That is what it must deliver on.
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When the mob were baying for the death penalty, our Elected representatives assess the evidence and take a decision that is right even if not popular

I feel same way. I’ve a secure job, reasonably paid, skills that are In universal demand, mortgage paid so when the shit hits the fan hopefully we’ll be insulated against the economic fallout that will no doubt ensue.

What on earth was the point then of the referendum if you want the MPs to decide anyway?

"Hey voters. Just sense checking here. Tell us what you would like us to do, but if it doesn't go the way we want we'll just do what we wanted to do all along". What on earth was the point?