Leave voters? What's your alternative plan for the country if TM's Withdrawal Agreement doesn't get through?

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A small majority of people who voted in the referendum voted Leave. I presume they still want to Leave. How do we do that if the Withdrawal Agreement fails and Parliament has voted through an amendment which allows it to stop No Deal.
Talk me through it ...

’ve been to Geneva by train from France. We had our passports checked and had to go through customs before leaving the station.

Yes as did we when we arrived by plane. But not the countless times that we drove across the border.

You didn't see information because it would seem you didn't look for it. The Ireland/NI border was brought up loads of times and dismissed as "outrageous " by wanker in chief Farridge. If you didn't look it up, that's on you.
Same with Just in time issues. That's again on you if you didn't inform yourself.
Your "Swiss border" idea also fails at the slightest interrogation of it. Again, on you for not looking at it more critically.

No good moaning now

The irony!

"Why didn't [the UK government do X/Remainers say Y/the EU agree to X/Schengen members close their borders with barbed wire/wahwahwah]"

jm90914

What are you talking about? A hard border is a hard border. If the point is to stop goods entering a country (poisoned Asian shrimps that cause blindness is one example given in the NI/Eire example) then what is the point in having a border that isn't manned? How do you control goods crossing an unmanned border?

Weetabix
Why is the WTO fine and the EU not?

How do you control goods crossing an unmanned border

Er so because you could drive across France to Switzerland, you think that goods can also cross that way....

I'm saying to all of the remainers - claiming that leavers were ignorant and should have known what they were voting for - that why didn't the remain campaign do a better job of educating people then?

What were Remainers meant to do?

Take out a full-page add in The Sun saying 'THERE IS NO PLAN'?

Actually, in hindsight, that probably is exactly what they should have done, since Brexiteers obviously didn't have the cop on to realise it themselves.

@Weetabixandshreddies

The Good Friday Agreement is the point.

The hard border on Ireland was removed as part of the deal.

If hard border infrastructure now needs to be built because of Brexit, then we are in contravention of that massively important agreement.

The hard border infrastructure is there on the Swiss border because they are not in the customs union. Whether you have seen it in use or not is completely irrelevant.

Any type of border infrastructure in Ireland means you're throwing the Good Friday Agreement in the bin.

@Weetabixandshreddies GFA means no hard border because we were both in the EU when it was signed. WTO requires you have control of your economic area. The backstop allows us to do both.
..... and you still haven't explained how you would solve it other than with the backstop.
You foolishly think that putting infrastructure at the Ireland/NI border is fine. You think that because you know nothing about the GFA, why we have it, what came before and how we got it.

You didn't see information because it would seem you didn't look for it. The Ireland/NI border was brought up loads of times and dismissed as "outrageous " by wanker in chief Farridge. If you didn't look it up, that's on you.
*Same with Just in time issues. That's again on you if you didn't inform yourself.

Again, what are you talking about?

NI border - I did read about it. I had, and still do have, the view that it can be solved.

Just in time - solvable

Your "Swiss border" idea also fails at the slightest interrogation of it. Again, on you for not looking at it more critically.
What? My experience of the Swiss border is that it isn't manned. My friends live in Geneva and drive to France every day - I think they might have a good idea of if it is manned or not so how is "my idea failing at the slightest interrogation"?

The Swiss/French border is not checkpoint Charlie, stopping illegal goods from entering the EU which appears to be the EUs perspective on the NI border. That the UK will allow dodgy prawns in and then across the border into Ireland and from there the EU. Well how do they currently stop them from coming in via Switzerland? And it isn't because of a hard border. So is it by turning a blind eye?

@Weetabixandshreddies

Regarding goods, again your experience is thoroughly irrelevant, and as I said you're completely wrong.

Perhaps the the experience of a lorry driver who has crossed every single border in the Europe is more relevant:

https://evolvepolitics.com/watch-knowledgeable-eu-van-driver-utterly-destroys-jacob-rees-moggs-brexit-bluster-with-firsthand-experience-video/

"I’ve done a job to Switzerland before […] I got sent down what was called a route 1 at Customs House in Dover. I was there for 7 hours. I then got to the Swiss border, I was there for 5 hours […] This is not a frictionless border; the Swiss border is not frictionless. You have to stop. You have to get out of your van or your vehicle or your truck; you have to go up 4 flights of stairs to find your customs agent, you have to get your T1 or T2 form to process […] Then you have to get them stamped by the French, the Swiss… then you can come in. The same applies to customs house in Dover. There’s no infrastructure there.”

Er so because you could drive across France to Switzerland, you think that goods can also cross that way....

Er so what stops them? How did they know what I had in my car? Or what the lorries in front and behind me had?

weetabixandshreddies
NI border - I did read about it. I had, and still do have, the view that it can be solved.
Have you ever driven across that border?
I did for the first time last month.
DO, please tell us your solution .......

NI border - I did read about it. I had, and still do have, the view that it can be solved

Wow.

Then why not tell the government that and solve everyone’s problems.

You foolishly think that putting infrastructure at the Ireland/NI border is fine

Where have I said put infrastructure anywhere? I haven't.

@Weetabixandshreddies you are really embarrassing yourself with your ignorance about the NI border issue. Time to stop digging and start privately researching if you don't want to admit your ignorance.

Er so what stops them? How did they know what I had in my car? Or what the lorries in front and behind me had

@Weetabixandshreddies has the solution to the NI problem!

NI border - I did read about it. I had, and still do have, the view that it can be solved

You have the solution?

Or you think it can be solved by greater minds than your own...?

If the former, please do enlighten.

@TheDowagerCuntess , I have a horrible feeling that we are going to get "a posh badly dressed rich boy with a hedge fund moved to Dublin says it can be easily sorted . And I believe him".

{I'm saying to all of the remainers - claiming that leavers were ignorant and should have known what they were voting for - that why didn't the remain campaign do a better job of educating people then?}

The concept of 'remaining' was not as exciting as lies about £350Million written on buses. Maybe if 'leavers' applied a bit of brainpower and wondered where the money might actually come from, and also why the governmen't didn't prioritise the NHS which it is perfectly capable of doing. But no, the leaver's looked on like a kitten watching a Christmas bauble. Get your Merry Christmas this year, the next will be 10% off, and not in a good way.

I'm saying to all of the remainers - claiming that leavers were ignorant and should have known what they were voting for - that why didn't the remain campaign do a better job of educating people then?

They were called project fear.

Why were the leave campaigners allowed to lie.....

What were Remainers meant to do?

Well, David Cameron was in charge at the time. He wasted how much money sending out that leaflet that said bugger all really? How many tv appearances did he do? Debates? How much information did he get across? Not very much because he was too busy trying to save himself.

The truth is no one knew what this was going to look like because it hinges on the deal that we negotiate with the EU and that is happening now, not 3 years ago.

How good or bad Brexit ends up being is down to the will of the negotiators.

The referendum should have been handled better but that was down to the government of the day, not individual voters, all of whom had their reasons for voting how they did.

If everyone coukd see at the time how bad it was going to be why didn't more people turn out to vote? Maybe because they didn't care? Didn't understand? Whatever. Blame the no shows for not turning out to vote remain if you don't like how it's turned out.

I have a democratic right to vote. I was given 1 of 2 choices. If you don't like that you need to take it up with the architects of that vote.

Why were the leave campaigners allowed to lie.....

Because they are politicians and politicians lie?

Why was Nick Clegg allowed to promise scrapping of tuition fees, until he became deputy PM?

@Weetabixandshreddies , this is pretty much exactly what Remain vote was saying it would be like.
No ideas on NI, then? Thought not.