Leave voters? What's your alternative plan for the country if TM's Withdrawal Agreement doesn't get through?

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A small majority of people who voted in the referendum voted Leave. I presume they still want to Leave. How do we do that if the Withdrawal Agreement fails and Parliament has voted through an amendment which allows it to stop No Deal.
Talk me through it ...

{Belonging to the EU hasn't compelled the UK government to do it so nothing will change if we remain will it?}

That is the whole point. The EU is not overruling everything. If you want things changing you hammer your local MP and DEMAND they do something, they are the local representative that should be speaking for YOU.
The amount of 'sovereignty' shared with the EU is small.

The Singapore model that some are advocating is to take advantage of being outside the offshoring regulations... The only beneficiaries of a super low tax system are those that don't need things that he state pays for....health, education, infrastructure, social care. The disparity between rich and poor is appalling.

Nationalising all infrastructure - do you have a pension? Its value will drop when Corbyn writes off all your shares.

Yes I have a pension. Many don't though and I'm sick of the "I'm alright Jack" mentality. Also fed up with French and Spanish companies owning our railways, telecoms, electricity companies. Re nationalise and let us run and own our own infrastructure.

At least the EU is trying, not as quick or as harshly as I would like but they are doing something.

The U.K. government would do nothing.

Your choice is something or nothing and you want nothing!

@Weetabixandshreddies
What you appear to be saying is this:
Your next door neighbours constantly neglect to cut your grass, so rather than a nice lawn you have a scrubby mess. Because of this you've decided to dig up the lawn, but you don't know whether to use a spade, a fork, or a spoon to do it. Once it's dug up you'll then decide to buy some grass seeds, and then wait for it to grow, may take up to 50 years, and you will still have to cut it yourself. That's how mad Brexit is.

If you cannot see that connection you are being very obtuse.

The connection being what?
They did it as a bribe to get us to stay? In which case that's disgusting - the threat of us leaving made them act?

Or, they did it after our vote as a punishment? Again, disgusting. Happy to let us be screwed over until we choose to leave and then suddenly they can act?

So to summarise, we need to Brexit because the EU are horrible interfering foreigners stopping our Great British Nation from doing everything its own way, and we also need to Brexit because the EU have not interfered in our Great British internal affairs?

You are handing power to people who want the total opposite of re-nationalisation.

They want deregulation and a bonfire of laws that help working people.

Your choice is something or nothing and you want nothing!

Because the EU only appear to do something when they stand to lose. They don't seem quick to do the "right" thing just because it is the right thing. They'll only act if they stand to lose.

TheElementsSong

Well I'd summarise PPs view as

The EU have had no influence over the UK. Everything that has happened has only happened because of the UK government but if we remain then everything will improve because of the EU (Even though up until now the EU hasn't been able to influence the UK government to do anything)

*They did it as a bribe to get us to stay?

Or, they did it after our vote as a punishment? *

Neither. The UK politicians who benefit from tax avoidance pushed harder for Brexit knowing the EU we’re stopping tax avoidance so they they can continue to financially benefit from it despite the cost to everyone else.

@Weetabixandshreddies
You seem to completely forget that we are the EU - it's not something we are subject to, ffs.

{So what have the EU done before now? Oh that's right - nothing.}
Getting agreement from 28 countries is difficult and time consuming. If ONE country decides to go it alone then it would attract unfair trading conditions, so it needs to be a concerted effort.
The Tories sold off most of the UK infrastructure to get a quick cash boost, although I have no idea where it went. The trouble is that although it takes the liability off the UK government's books it means it has lost the assets. The generally crap deals that the UK government signed up to when these sell offs were made tend to be MORE expensive for the UK user/taxpayer. The UK is in pretty massive debt and as it has sold off these assets is valued roughly the same as Ghana.
Talking about crap deals. It was the case that the train operators got paid more if they didn't run trains. I forget the details but it was or is this stupid.

Because the EU only appear to do something when they stand to lose. They don't seem quick to do the "right" thing just because it is the right thing. They'll only act if they stand to lose.

No, again, that’s the UK government.

The U.K. government negotiate opt outs.

I haven't said things will improve, nether have other posters. Remain is about maintaining the status quo.

What we have said consistently is Brexit will make things a lot worse.

Read the posts.

For too long politicians didn't listen. They finally gave the electorate a say and this is what they chose

We can vote in general elections, local elections, EU elections. We’ve had plenty of chances to say something.

Leave brings no discernible benefits and certainly doesn’t address your issue about politicians not listening.

Again, it’s the EU being set up as a bogeyman when the problems all along are cause by a rich ruling class taking everything for themselves.

Being in or out of the EU doesn’t change that.

Leaving the EU will not make life better because it does not address the fundamental issues with today’s politics!!!

Take some responsibility and do some proper fact finding. It’s interesting and depressing to read about political history.

Re nationalise and let us run and own our own infrastructure.
Cos that went so well in the 70's

A lot of the problems with nationalised industries was the running down by the government of the day. It doesn’t make nationalising inherently bad.

{A lot of the problems with nationalised industries was the running down by the government of the day. It doesn’t make nationalising inherently bad.}
Nationalising is an advantage as it does not NEED to create a profit for 'shareholders'. In the past the management was pretty lazy so whichever industry it is should have an independent review board and apply the boot to ensure it is not slacking. Obviously it should aim to break even when reasonable future investment needs have been factored in. Having the infrastructure then becomes an asset to the country.

Weetabix needs to read Britannia Unchained by Dominic Raab et al. Might find their vision of a UK unfettered by pesky little issues like employment rights, health and safety/ environmental regulations a bit different from the sunlit uplands she hopes to find after brexit.

If you are thinking the EU is slow, the WTO which will be needed to make new trade deals averages around 10 years to get all the details completed. This is at odds with JRM saying 'just use WTO tariffs', he is either deliberately ignoring reality or is not aware of this. For the sake of discussion now, and the fact that he was told a couple of years back but is still spouting it, he is essentially lying.

Old enough to remember nationalised industries. We were shit at it. They were shit.

So what have the EU done before now? Oh that's right - nothing. They've let them get away with it. Why? If we've all been looking out for each other, why have they let that happen? Let companies deprive one country of tax revenue and pay it in another member country?

For starters the EU doesn't control taxes or rates in member states, voters such as yourself have always been against these sorts of measures!
Setting up a framework for tax avoidance against vested interests takes years, EU really isn't this all encompassing god like presence you think it is! which is exactly what 1tisILeClerc said earlier.

Once we leave, oh yes things will change but not for the better.

but i'm getting the feeling you are now arguing for arguments sake now because you are just point blank refusing to even acknowledge some compelling evidence :)

but i'm getting the feeling you are now arguing for arguments sake now because you are just point blank refusing to even acknowledge some compelling evidence smile

I don't need to argue nor to explain my reasons for voting as I did.

I had a free vote, as did you all.

I don't need to give any reasons for how or why I voted.

No one supporting Brexit has to prove anything or provide facts.

No one who voted for Brexit is responsible for anything.

No one who voted for Brexit is racist.

Everyone who voted for Brexit researched it thoroughly but doesn't feel the need to explain why they voted the way they did.

Blame the EU, blame politicians, blame anybody or anything but not the people who voted for this mess.

Yeah, we've heard it all before.