Leave voters? What's your alternative plan for the country if TM's Withdrawal Agreement doesn't get through?

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A small majority of people who voted in the referendum voted Leave. I presume they still want to Leave. How do we do that if the Withdrawal Agreement fails and Parliament has voted through an amendment which allows it to stop No Deal.
Talk me through it ...

😂But I say again, they aren't, according to people on here, specific to EU membership. The UK government could already have been doing it and it hasn't been

Yes so the question is why blame it on the EU and vote leave......

Our economy will grow instead of shrink

Surely only if our government chooses to do this. It won't just happen by virtue of EU membership, because it isn't happening now.

We don’t end up with Dover gridlocked and all that entails

Rather than as a result of the French choosing to block French ports and causing jams then?

Doesn’t it drive you mad to hear about Amazon, Google et al skipping their tax duties? The EU want to end that.

Yes it does. But isn't Amazon registered in Belgium which is how it avoids paying tax here? So why does the EU allow that?

Voting remain makes sense in the absence of a decent plan to vote leave.

There were no evidence based options at all about voting leave. I know, I did a lot of research just to be bloody sure I was right to vote remain.

Literally is happening because of EU membership which gives us access to one of the biggest markets in the world.

The UK cannot cope with a No Deal scenario. Estimates of road chaos has just been raised from 6 weeks to 6 months. That’s on the UK side alone. Nothing to do with France.

Oh my goodness. The EU is literally bringing in legislation to stop tax avoidance. They’re literally bringing that kind of thing to an end.

What we are saying is that leaving will, without doubt, make things worse.
You can't say that for sure.

It could well be better.

That's what people want - change.

For too long politicians didn't listen. They finally gave the electorate a say and this is what they chose. They don't want more of what we've got. They want the chance to do it differently.

You can't say that for sure.

Yes! I can. The figures have been done. We know, for certain, that we will be worse off if we leave.

Remaining may or may not make things better, no one is making that claim.

Remain will keep the status quo. It won't get worse. That's the best they can promise. Do you want honesty or not?

Brexit will make a number of things immeasurably worse. The lead Brexit supporters on both the right and the left want the economy and society to suffer. That is their plan.

Brexit will lead to social crisis, possible unrest, possible revolution. Then we we have a brave new government formed from a political extreme.

This won't happen if we remain. If we remain we will carry on getting on. No revolution, no crisis.

Depends if you want social upheaval or not.

Weetabix
But isn't Amazon registered in Belgium which is how it avoids paying tax here? So why does the EU allow that?
On 2nd April, EU law about offshoring changes .....
Now you know why Rees Mogg and co want to leave the EU three days before

The EU is not a panacea
but it stops the Rees Moggs of this world screwing over the poor to make themselves even richer

We are going to get more of what we’ve got. Our problem is the UK government so we’re going to go from the UK government being tempered by the EU to the full force of the shitty self serving politicians. I’m sure I’ve explained this several times now.

PS if there is a GE and Corbyn wins, his economic model is Venezuela .....

Briefly what does that entail, Talkin?

Oh my goodness. The EU is literally bringing in legislation to stop tax avoidance. They’re literally bringing that kind of thing to an end.

But it is too late. Can't you see that? People have had enough. Too many people got away with too much for too long.

It was easy for people to blame the EU and the vast sums we pay them, for seemingly little in return, when we hear about laws imposed on us yet vast companies can screw the UK and register in Europe and not be penalised for it, when we hear about economic migrants coming to the UK for what they can get whilst our kids can't get jobs or afford houses.

Successive governments have failed to listen and this was a way to make them.

TIP I think I on have hit the nail on the head..... JRM and his mates don't care about "the People" they are all about protecting themselves. The Paris club would be shown by the new legislation on offshoring.

Yes and my point is that being in the EU hasn't protected UK workers

Sovereignty: Did you want the EU to interfere?

weetabix
Successive governments have failed to listen and this was a way to make them.
How?
How will making all of us poorer make Rees Mogg start to give a shit?
How will closing the borders stop Theresa being a xenophobe?
How will trashing UK industry stop BoJo being an arrogant tosspot?

So your argument is that we need to stop tax avoidance, the EU is putting it in place three days after we’re due to leave and now we won’t get it at all?

Again, the problem is not the EU but the UK government - the government you are relying on to make it all better - who have done nothing to tackle it. And worse - some UK politicians want to encourage it.

The UK government isn’t going to listen to you when you’re cutting off your own protections against this kind of thing. They’re going to do it even more. They think this is what you want!

Successive governments have failed to listen and this was a way to make them.

Which so far has failed. May hasn't sent a task force round the country to find out what it is that is really affecting people; even less has she tried to do anything about it, apart from some soundbites.

Rees-Mogg has been very quick to move his investments to Ireland. One rule for him and a different one for us plebs.

Sovereignty: Did you want the EU to interfere?

No I don't. But don't pretend that things will be different if we remain in the EU if they haven't been able to do anything so far.

The EU are in the process of doing things to make it better. We are rejecting it all.

What have the Uk government done to make anything better? What in the world tells you that they’re going to make anything better?!

MissMalice
The Corbyn McDonnell plan for after a hard Brexit which they have both always wanted

• re-nationalise all utilities an infrastructure - without compensation to -shareholders our pension funds
• centralise industrial decision making and support selected loss making ones eg steel
• cut taxes and print money to pay for it

Offshoring is defined as the movement of a business process done at a company in one country to the same or another company in another, different country. Almost always work is moved because of a lower cost of operations in the new location. More recently, offshoring drivers also include access to qualified personnel abroad, in particular in technical professions, and increasing speed to market.[2] Offshoring is sometimes contrasted with outsourcing or offshore outsourcing. Outsourcing is the movement of internal business processes to an external organizational unit. Outsourcing refers to the process by which an organization gives part of its work to another firm / organization and makes it responsible for most of the applications as well as the design of the enterprise business process. This process is done under restrictions and strategies in order to establish consistency with the offshore outsourcing organizations. Many companies nowadays outsource various professional areas in the company such as e-mail services, payroll and call center. These jobs are being handled by other organizations that specialize in each sector allowing the offshoring company to focus more on other business concerns. However, subcontracting in the same country would be outsourcing, but not offshoring. A company moving an internal business unit from one country to another would be offshoring or physical restructuring, but not outsourcing. A company subcontracting a business unit to a different company in another country would be both outsourcing and offshoring.

So a company can do all of its work in one country but on the books "purchase" the intellectual rights for that work from amparent or daughter company located in a tax haven. They creating tax liability where they don't have to pay tax.

So your argument is that we need to stop tax avoidance, the EU is putting it in place three days after we’re due to leave and now we won’t get it at all?
So what have the EU done before now? Oh that's right - nothing. They've let them get away with it. Why? If we've all been looking out for each other, why have they let that happen? Let companies deprive one country of tax revenue and pay it in another member country?

• re-nationalise all utilities an infrastructure

Good -

What. Makes. You. Think. The. UK. Are. Going. To. Stop. It. At. All?

They aren’t going to. They will allow it.

The Eu have presumably been working towards this point for years. Your argument of “not fast enough” is cutting your nose off to spite your face. Now we’re not only not going to get it at all, we’re going to be turned into a country that welcomes these kinds of practices.

Weetabix
The EU rules were finalised three years ago .... just before the Brexit referendum was called in fact.
They take effect on April 2nd
If you cannot see that connection you are being very obtuse.

Nationalising all infrastructure - do you have a pension? Its value will drop when Corbyn writes off all your shares.