Leave voters? What's your alternative plan for the country if TM's Withdrawal Agreement doesn't get through?

[bellinisurge]

A small majority of people who voted in the referendum voted Leave. I presume they still want to Leave. How do we do that if the Withdrawal Agreement fails and Parliament has voted through an amendment which allows it to stop No Deal.
Talk me through it ...

I am not happy to remain because I personally think it will eventually lead to this.

You are, of course, allowed to believe what you like. However, you should not be surprised when people ask you for your evidence.

teaandbiscuitsforme

What is your purpose here? I don't read the Daily Mail. Never have. I don't agree with you. That's it. You don't need to prove anything to me - I don't agree with you.

They are. All EU states choose their own way to treat their students. Scottish students are charged the same as the rest of the UK, but the Scottish Government chooses to pay the fees on their behalf. The devolution of powers to Scotland that allows them to pay the fees was a choice made by Westminster not the EU.

You are, of course, allowed to believe what you like. However, you should not be surprised when people ask you for your evidence.
And ask all you like. You may be surprised to hear that I am not compelled to answer you.

Of course. The Paris riots over the weekend were exactly on the scale of WW2

But you are against the principal surely? not the scale.

You are also being completely unrealistic, foreign troops train and operate on UK soil all the time.
Indeed the french navy is assisting in the defense of our new aircraft carriers and when i go to Devonport dockyard, i will see Dutch, french German ships in UK sovereign waters.

I would like to think that in the event of national emergencies, we would either come to the aid of our nato allies or accept their help? perhaps have we still delusions of grandeur!

Why aren't the English treated as members of the EU in this regard?

I think what the PP explained is that Scotland pays Scottish fees, EU states pay their fees. The UK could pay UK students fees but refuse.

I don’t currently have the answer to your question on benefits (though I am finding out, as you can too) but I do know that EU migrants contribute more to our economy than they take out.

The thing is, when I vote in a democratic election, I would like to believe that all those voting weigh the facts and figures, consider the evidence, and reach a balanced judgement.

I am entitled to find it rather disappointing when I find that...well, this isn't exactly the case. 'I believe what i believe and however silly this is, and however much actual evidence there is against it, you can't make me believe anything different' isn't exactly rational as a basis for a huge and irreversible decision about the national future, is it?

They are under US command, not UK command, but are present on the UK streets...)

Where? I don't mean guarding military air bases I mean where are these US troops on the UK streets, enforcing the law? We don't even have the British army on the streets, other than in NI, so I'd love to know where this is happening.

The thing is, when I vote in a democratic election, I would like to believe that all those voting weigh the facts and figures, consider the evidence, and reach a balanced judgement.

And I would like to believe that those voting are voting in the best interests of this country and aren't being quick to sign away our sovereign powers without knowing where it will end up.

MissMalice

And my understanding is that the EU rule that all citizens are entitled to the same treatment as the nationals, so not that each individual state has an agreement to pay fees to Scottish universities but that as Scottish students get free tuition then so must all EU students too.

The same for healthcare isn't it? We are entitled to the same standard as citizens of that particular country, hence why in some EU countries will we be charged something yet here EU nationals can get free healthcare.

To claim benefits you need to satisfy the Habitual Residency Test. You have to demonstrate that the UK is your normal place of residency. As a job seeker coming to the UK you cannot claim any means tested benefits until you can demonstrate you have lived here habitually for at least 3 months. After which all normal eligibility criteria apply.

_weetabix* your understanding is wrong in that case.

But you are against the principal surely?

Don't presume to know what I think.

In time of war, and when asked, then yes I would accept troops from other countries.

During civil unrest, in one city, easily controlled by national forces I find it very odd that troops from another country would be involved. To me, that is symbolising a shift towards a united European army.

Unescorted

And so how do we see Romanian families moving here and receiving benefits then? They aren't seeking work.

How do we have situations where one parent is here working yet we pay child benefit to children back in their home nation?

How are these situations occurring? If we aren't compelled to do this why are we?

_weetabix your understanding is wrong in that case.*
Really? So some EU students pay full fees at Scottish universities do they or do all EU countries pay their students fees in full?

How about in English universities? What fees do EU students pay in English universities?

@bellinisurge my ability to understand????
I understand very well why I voted to leave.
Unfortunately there isn't anything I can say to get thru you.

Weetabixandshreddies

i presumed nothing, hence the question.

Also, in the original question in an uncontrollable civil situation, you said in response to if it would be ok seek help from european nations you said "err no"

So good to see you've had an attack of pragmatism.

They pay whatever the fee rate is for the university. Their Government may choose to pay the fees on their behalf. You cannot blame the EU for the decision made by the UK government to not pay the fees of students living in UK.

How do you know they aren't seeking work....all claimants must be seeking work. I would assume that the cap has satisfied themselves the claimant is doing so or they would have their benefits stopped.

Also, in the original question in an uncontrollable civil situation, you said in response to if it would be ok seek help from european nations you said "err no"

We aren't talking about an uncontrollable civil situation or a war are we? We are talking about a riot. I don't think that calls for mobilisation of a foreign army and I cannot conceive of a situation where I would want to see a foreign army on the streets of London. I can't think of many occasions when I would want to see the British army on the streets of London tbh.

Unescorted

I have never been told that each country negotiates student fees individually. If that is the case why are students divided into EU and non EU? It makes no difference surely if it is up to individual countries?

@weetabixandshreddies
And so how do we see Romanian families moving here and receiving benefits then? They aren't seeking work.
Evidence Link please ?

And when you have finished thrashing around trying to derail the thread,
could you explain what is so great about the WTO?

CB is slightly different. You must be paying NI or in receipt of a means tested benefit (one of the one you need to satisfy the HRS criteria to claim). I think you leave the country for 12 weeks you are no longer eligible.

Right and the UK would, EU members or not, be the ones to decide who is on our soil. The EU doesn’t decide that kind of thing. And you admitted you didn’t even know why the Portuguese were there and yet sought to blame the EU for it.

What I asked was, if we needed help (whatever situation that happened to be), should we refuse foreign assistance?

It isn't devided up into EU and non EU...it is the decision for each nation to decide if they will pay UK fees for their students. It is nothing to do with the EU.