Post Brexit forecast... How can we trust what experts say?

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This guy got it wrong last time, how can we trust what he says?

TheyBuiltThePyramids Exactly, why should migrants have housing association houses before the homeless or ex servicemen, why should a you local couple not get a house when migrants get one before them

When I look around I see migrants contributing to an exciting and vibrant community.

However, I know I need to find out what is happening elsewhere so I do some research.

Looking out of your window is not empirical research.

Talkinpeece Not how they have calculated it, no HB, WTC, TC , many years ago,
No, but they could contribute extra, no free healthcare in many EU countries

Hesta
why should migrants have housing association houses before the homeless or ex servicemen, why should a you local couple not get a house when migrants get one before them
They don't.
What you have typed is untrue.

because I can assure you that is not true where I live,

No, but it is true across the UK as a whole, and as a few posters have said here, your area (I don't know where that is so I'm only going on what you and they say) is almost unique in the UK.

Hesta
Not how they have calculated it, no HB, WTC, TC , many years ago,
Tax credits were only introduced by Gordon Brown in around 2000 so a tad tricky to get it before that.

The dole used to be MUCH MORE GENEROUS - it was only under Thatcher that it started to be clamped down on and then Disability benefits were ramped up to replace it.

Housing benefit was so generous, University students got it in the holidays.

And old folks were able to buy houses at less than three times the average salary so many are sitting pretty while the young are stuck in generation rent

you really need to do more research

How many migrants have a housing association house ahead of homeless families? Seeing how hard it is to access public housing in many areas, I struggle to believe that this is widespread. Are there figures?

Talkinpeece Well I’m sorry that’s not untrue, I have seen it happening many times in my area, perhaps you need to visit other areas more

How many EU migrants, I meant to say.

It's the other way round, Hesta. You need to understand that your area is unusual.

How did this country survive before freedom of movement was introduced just 25 years ago?
How did we get foreign nurses into the county pre 1992? Via secret tunnels?

Hesta
I have seen it happening many times in my area, perhaps you need to visit other areas more
I study Local Government systems for my work.
Please link to a local authority housing criteria that does not use the points system
which automatically excludes most single young people and EU citizens in transit.

Leaving the EU will not impact on the numbers of refugees arriving in your area - you do know that ??

Talkinpeece And interest rates were in double digits, your point is, I can assure the benefit system was not generous or readily available in my younger days

How did this country survive before freedom of movement was introduced just 25 years ago? Quite badly –the 3-day week, rubbish strikes, power cuts...

How did we get foreign nurses into the county pre 1992? Via secret tunnels?
Via the Windrush et al.

surferjet
How did we get foreign nurses into the county pre 1992?
They were given free visas, in their thousands from Asia, Asia minor, Africa and the Caribbean.
As has been the case since the start of the NHS.

However since 2010, under Theresa May, the UK became a hostile environment and visas became almost impossible to get for non EU citizens
(the £2000 cost and the £36000 a year earning requirement)
so the UK became incredibly reliant on the EU

You’re talking about the 70’s. & windrush was the 50’s to late 60’s.

How did we manage during the 80’s without freedom of movement?

Surferjet, a lot of foreign nurses came from ex-Commonwealth countries of course in the past. Barriers are now in place to prevent lower earners from entering the country from outside the EU and we all saw how Teresa treated the Windrush generation.

And interest rates were in double digits
Only for a short while. I owned a house through that period
I can assure the benefit system was not generous or readily available in my younger days
Dunno what age you are but my friends are mostly between 50 and 60 - we remember the golden days of being able to resign from a job and sign on for the summer and get housing benefit the following week.

I remember getting HB as student in the 80’s and being able to sign on in the holidays although I personally didn’t
< pesky work ethic >
DS1 has just started university studying biomedical science and his accommodation alone is £4,000 per year. It’s a very heavy course and students are discouraged from taking part time jobs as they will find it hard to keep up with the work.
My DM did pay tax all her life but many women of her age tended to give up work when they had children. Those were the days when a skilled manual worker could earn enough to buy a family home.
My DM retired at 60 on a very generous pension.
I can’t get a state pension until I’m 67 and I don’t expect the state pension to still exist when my DC are in their 60’s

My mum was an immigrant nurse in the new NHS in the fifties. She recalled enduring a racist diatribe from one patient as she was wiping his arse. She was an invited worker given "right of abode" in the UK but not full citizenship.

Talkinpeece Let’s get back to training are own

Indeed Hesta. That is a great idea. So why did the govt cut bursaries for student nurses and midwives? Nowt to do with the EU that's for sure.

Hesta
Let’s get back to training are own
How can the UK "get back" to something it never did.
Nurses have been imported to the UK since the NHS was invented.
Agricultural labour has been imported for over 100 years
The need for care workers has only existed in the last 30 years

By all means let's get back to training our own. Do tell the Tory Government that, the ones who have gone and stopped bursaries for nursing and midwifery students, causing the number of enrolments to collapse.

PCPlumsTruncheon And all these changes while in the EU, not much point is there