Post Brexit forecast... How can we trust what experts say?

[mummmy2017]

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This guy got it wrong last time, how can we trust what he says?

Hesta
there is many things they can do to keep medical supplies flowing freely
What can the EU do to keep medical supplies coming into the UK if the UK takes control of its borders ?

Also why is it ok to slag off anyone who disagrees with you about what's best for our shared country as smug arses?

Liberal - combines ideas of civil liberty and equality with support for social justice and a mixed economy.

Liberal -a political and moral philosophy based on liberty and equality.

Liberal -theory of international relations based upon co-operation and mediation.

Liberal -a left-winger or who advocates an increase in government spending.

Is it better to be illiberal then, and slag people off as smug arses?

How can we tell you when no one knows what will definitely happen...
It's like asking you to name your bank balance to the penny on 13th June 2021.

Talkinpeece Even if we control are own borders, do you not think that we would want vital medicine to get through ?

I have not stop medicine from potentially getting through, which as an EU good will measure could happen if they want, but it seems they want people to suffer

It has more to do with international law than 'good will', TBH.

Hesta
Even if we control are own borders, do you not think that we would want vital medicine to get through ?
So its not down to the EU, its down to the UK government .....

Does that include all the money they claim in benefits, and schools to educate the children. Use of NHS, and all the other hidden expenses.?

No one knows for sure but lots of indicators point to at least a national hiccup. Why is it so dreadful to want to avoid that?
This country is ill equipped to deal with snow; why on earth do you think it can deal with what I am, for optimism's sake, calling a national hiccup?

lonelyplanetmum Of course all those car washers, cleaners, labourers, delivery drivers, handyman, factory workers, ( most on min wage ) etc etc did, I keep forgetting that every migrant works for the NHS or is earning over 30,000 a year

I'm very keen to hear the benefits that surfer knows about. Because right now I'm hoping the slimey liberal elite do their worst/best. I'll be cheering the smug bastards on.

Anything that halts economic fall out that will trigger further austerity is fine by me.

It's like asking you to name your bank balance to the penny on 13th June 2021

Well I can't name it to the penny but I know I have a pension and I know my mortgage will be paid off so based on that I can make some reasonable estimates. I could forecast something with a degree of accuracy.

If the world explodes clearly I will be incorrect but if I make some logical assumptions I could be in the right ball park.

That is how forecasts work.

Yes Mummy it does.Migrants pay more in taxes than natives and take out far less in benefits, schools and the NHS. The immigrant resources drain is a myth, not least because people come to work and are younger and fitter than our ageing population.

The underfunding in schools and the NHS is down to successive labour and conservative governments.

surfer I’m a mental health nurse and I know lot of nurses and doctors as well as teachers and social workers. I don’t know a single one who voted to Leave, Are we all slaves to big money corporations?
The most jaw dropping thing for me is how people like surfer believe that a Leave vote was socking it to the ‘elite’.
It’s one of the biggest con tricks in history and people like surfer have fallen for it.
JRM, Bojo et al ARE the elite and they’ve laughing at the fact that you’re stupid enough to fall for this.
surfer Forgive me if I’m wrong but I’m sure you have said that you are comfortably off financially. There are people on this thread who are already struggling and their situation is almost certainly going to get worse after Brexit.
And as for all this, ‘We always hknew it would be difficult for a while/2 years/10 years/50 years’, I don’t remember any of the Leave campaign saying that. 24th June was going to be the dawn of a golden age.

Does that include all the...

This is a question you don't have to answer, but why are you arguing about a subject you know fuck all about?

mummmy
It's like asking you to name your bank balance to the penny on 13th June 2021
£1025.00
As I keep a £1000 float in it at all times and in the middle of the month I often win a premium bond.

But that is irrelevant to the issue in hand.

lonelyplanetmum Yes all those min wage must pay a fortune in Tax & Ni, while claiming HB, WTC, TC, CB, etc, and many sending money home not spending it in the local economy

why are you arguing about a subject you know fuck all about?

I think everyone is entitled to debate a subject that's so important to everyone. Also debating it and researching it is the way to learn surely?

I think it makes sense to do the initial bloody research before 'debating it'.

And please don't confuse my question with telling the pp she's not entitled to debate it, for goodness sake

@Hesta

I don't know your particular area but what you describe tends to be found mostly among non EU migrants from much poorer countries (and can you blame them for sending money home btw?). Don't forget that most of the EU enjoys a level of prosperity similar or better than the UK (take Germany for example). Yes there are some poor Eastern Europeans (Romas in particular) and I think some areas have poorly managed them but a LOT of the EU people we're talking about come from very comfortable countries indeed. Those guys are leaving anyway because they don't have to accept being treated like the mud on your shoe.

Hesta54
Half of all adults do not pay income tax.
Young fit immigrants do the jobs that Brits will not do

Apart from everything else, Britain needs immigration. All that's happening right now is one set is replaced by another. Non EU immigration is at a 14 year peak.
I don't mind but something tells me surferjet does.

The research is there Hesta EU Migrants contribute* £2,300 more each per annum to UK public finances (including NHS funding and adult social care etc) than other U.K. residents.
*
The sound bites that Farage spouted and the tabloid headlines were not substantiated by fact.

EU Immigrants contributed more than £3bn in income taxes, while claiming roughly £0.5bn in benefits ( pre referendum 2015 figures.)

A mere 0.004 per cent of annual government spending was paid out on child benefit to EU immigrants each year.

Camerons new benefits system phased in for existing claimants from 2020 will cost more than it saves by increasing the overall administrative burden.

Migrants enter the UK to work, not to claim.

Immigrants fill vacancies that would otherwise remain unoccupied.

Abandoning free movement is leading to a critical shortfall in its labour supply.

This thread was searching for truth and the enduring truth is that the pluses of immigration far outweigh any perceived negatives.

People are rioting currently in France and Belgium over increased fuel and utility prices. Most people seem to want a peaceful process but it doesn't seem to take much to make it kick off. People have died. Many families in the UK are already struggling hugely. There are record numbers of homeless and use of food banks at an all time high. I fear it won't take much if jobs are lost and prices increase. And yet still NO-ONE has said what will improve in their lives after Brexit.

lonelyplanetmum I have asked time and time again for actual prove of calculations of how these figures are made up, because I can assure you that is not true where I live, and let’s not forget the old population have contributed all their working lives, without the benefits that are available now, their parents before as well helped contribute to the growth of Are infrastructure, which many migrants use without hardly contributing

I have asked time and time again for actual prove of calculations of how these figures are made up, because I can assure you that is not true where I live
Its all on the Office of National Statistics website
the old population have contributed all their working lives, without the benefits that are available now
Many did not and benefits were MUCH more generous 30 years ago
infrastructure, which many migrants use without hardly contributing
Nor do children - should we ban them from using schools and hospitals ?