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Post Brexit forecast... How can we trust what experts say?

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mummmy2017 · 29/11/2018 18:29

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/money/markets/article-3902630/amp/Why-does-Bank-boss-Mark-Carney-getting-wrong.html

This guy got it wrong last time, how can we trust what he says?

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Bearbehind · 30/11/2018 13:45

Bugger - supports Remain obvs

recently · 30/11/2018 13:46

I want our Government to put the well-being of our country at the top of their priority list.
Yeah, I want that too but this government has and is continuing to create a wider gap between rich and poor. The EU (whether you think they have succeeded or not) has as one of its aims the reduction of poverty across the EU hence the investment in deprived areas of the UK. This government is only interested in the rich. Don't kid yourself that Brexit is in the best interests of ordinary people. Nobody believes that.

mostdays · 30/11/2018 13:48

You can’t produce one name with proof that remaining in the EU will not benefit them personally

Of all the daft positions I have seen taken by Brexiters on MN, I think this "your argument is only valid if someone who will in no way benefit from remaining wants to remain" one is up there with the very daftest. Why the hell do you think people want to remain? Because they know it is best for the country and its inhabitants. Only someone really fucking stupid would think "hmm, I have two options. Clearly the one which will be of least benefit is the one to go for".

surferjet · 30/11/2018 13:51

BorisBogtrotter

You don’t have to keep insulting me personally. Have you views on leavers as a group certainly, but insulting me personally is very childish.

BorisBogtrotter · 30/11/2018 14:01

Don't say daft stuff and expect not to get called out on it then.

Seriously, you've been the one refusing to justify your point for EONS on here, now everyone else must come up with a detailed list.

Backing remain is best for the economy, so is best for business, its the best for UK business interests, its the best for UK education interests, for the health service interests, for the building industries interests, for the Government Fiscal positions interests, for the interests of the car industry, for digital tech industry, for the music industry, for the arts industries, for food supplies, for medical supplies, for the pharmaceutical industry interests and countless others.

Leaving is only in the interest of select elite of people for very narrow and specific reasons, even then some of them are ideologically badly thought out ( Like Tim Martin's).

On Tim Martin, if it was beneficial to the drinks industry you would find that they would be backing leaving. But no, Diageo ( who are worth far more to the British economy than Wetherspoons) , and the brewing and distilling industry all back remaining.

Its funny though, that as soon as any business leader you can find backs leaving you make these massive appeals to authority, but ignore that the vast majority of industry leaders and experts back remaining.

Shows your lack of critical thinking and confirmation bias.

prettybird · 30/11/2018 14:06

I have previously said on other threads that while personally I think Brexit - especially a hard or No Deal Brexit - will help bring about something I want to happen more quickly (Scottish Independence), I don't want it to happen that way because of the negative impact on the poorest and most vulnerable in England. I'd rather it came about more slowly, not because of a cliff edge. Sad

The only report I'm aware of that promises a better future is the one touted by the ERG, with the contribution of Patrick Minford, whose models and principles no other economists or pesky experts agree with (except perhaps other disaster capitalists or billionaires like the Koch brothers or Mercer) Hmm. Minford is quite happy to see the demise of UK farming and UK manufacturing as collateral damage for the creation of a Singapore style UK SadConfused - with an anticipated "bonfire of pesky regulations". Angry

surferjet · 30/11/2018 14:11

I have never refused to say why I voted leave.
I voted leave to end freedom of movement.
How many more times do I have to say it?

And anyway, the referendum wasn’t about which millionaire MP benefits the most, it was about what ordinary people want & the majority want out.

BorisBogtrotter · 30/11/2018 14:13

"And anyway, the referendum wasn’t about which millionaire MP benefits the most, was about what ordinary people want & the majority want out."

You voted to end freedom of movement, not because its detrimental to the UK ( it isn't) so for what reason?

Ordinary people were conned, sorry. The only change will be for the worse, and its the ordinary people in leave areas that will suffer most.

Its no victory.

Hesta54 · 30/11/2018 14:39

BorisBogtrotter Because it has wrecked my area and caused trouble and hardship

BorisBogtrotter · 30/11/2018 14:41

No, the unwillingness of the UK government to enforce the treaty rules has wrecked your area.

Its also not a good example of how FOM has effected most of the country.

Notonthestairs · 30/11/2018 14:44

How has it wrecked your area Hesta?

Do you think austerity played a significant part in causing that hardship?

Do you think there other ways that these issues could have been tackled?

Do you think the chance of increased austerity due to an economic hit might make things a lot worse for a generation?

Genuine questions, not trying to be goady.

BorisBogtrotter · 30/11/2018 14:46

I think from previous posts Hesta lives in one particular area that has had a very specific type of migrant move in, and because the UK does not properly enforce treaty rights they have caused social issues.

Its well documented, but its not a good example as its an almost singular example.

BorisBogtrotter · 30/11/2018 14:58

Sadly for Hesta, no one from that area will be "going home" either.

Notonthestairs · 30/11/2018 14:58

Ah ok. Thanks.

(If it where I think it is isn't that a failure of policing - linked in part to austerity measures).

BorisBogtrotter · 30/11/2018 14:59

There is that too.

jasjas1973 · 30/11/2018 15:26

FOM has been good down here, we had agri workers to pick flowers and veg and EU nurses to look after our aging population.

Unfortunately the idiots came out to vote and now we can't get workers in care homes or seasonal agri workers.

Council tax going up and up to try and increase wages for care staff but they still can't get them.

Maybe we need to take drastic measures Hesta54? we could introduce euthanasia, as a deterrent against getting old lol!

Peregrina · 30/11/2018 15:41

the actual wording was in the event of a leave vote there will be an IMMEDIATE, not in 3 years or after we have left, downturn high unemployment, high interest rates, house price crash, etc etc

And Cameron said that he would stay on and immediately implement A50. As soon as he threw in the towel, the following morning, then all the predictions based on that became dust.

mummmy2017 · 30/11/2018 15:48

www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/frederick-forsyth/1052467/brexit-sabotaged-uk-eu-frederick-forsyth

Strange yet another person who lives his life writing plots... Can see some think stinks in the way this has all been portrayed.
MAY ROLLS OVER, SO DID CAMERON.

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mummmy2017 · 30/11/2018 15:50

Oh and May said if deal is voted down, we have to go too no deal.
Suddenly Tusk is saying we could stay....
What a load of shisters they all are in this deal..

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surferjet · 30/11/2018 15:55

Yep.
We’ll end up staying.
The EU were never going to let us go, 3rd biggest payer & all that.

mummmy2017 · 30/11/2018 16:02

Can you imagine the spin on that one fron May.
In front of the committee she said if voted down we are out, with no deal.
You wonder why we don't trust the EU. When they don't want to lose a cash cow and so are dishonest.

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surferjet · 30/11/2018 16:04

They’ll fuck us over mate I’m certain of it.

The slimy liberal elite will get their smug arse way.

Talkinpeece · 30/11/2018 16:10

surferjet
You are all over these threads month in, month out
but you never tell any of us HOW Brexit will make things better.
OK, you voted to end Freedom of movement.
HOW will that make things better ?
What other specific changes do you hope for from Brexit ?

Hesta54 · 30/11/2018 16:15

jasjas1973

if supplies fail to get through, I would be angry at the EU willing trying to hurt your family, there is many things they can do to keep medical supplies flowing freely

It will not be the EU's fault, it will be yours,
It will not be mine, I’m not in Parliament, I didn’t vote to issue A50, I have not been on the negotiations, I have not resigned because I cannot agree with my party, I have not sat back as opp leader and done nothing, I have not tried to get a deal through Parliament that’s got no chance, I have not stop medicine from potentially getting through, which as an EU good will measure could happen if they want, but it seems they want people to suffer, yep it’s all my thought because past and previous governments didn’t listen to people’s concerns, and when raised to an ex PM was called a bigot

lonelyplanetmum · 30/11/2018 16:17

Ok you voted to end freedom of movement.

Of EU and U.K. people presumably not goods.

Just a reminder...

EU Migrants contributed approximately £2,300 more each per annum to UK public finances (including NHS funding and adult social care etc) than other U.K. residents.

For EU13+ migrants their contribution is £3,700 per capita higher each per annum to the public finances than the average UK adult. ( EU13+ are the EU members before 2004 plus EEA members plus Switzerland. )

Non-EEA migrants contributed around £840 less..

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