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Post Brexit forecast... How can we trust what experts say?

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mummmy2017 · 29/11/2018 18:29

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/money/markets/article-3902630/amp/Why-does-Bank-boss-Mark-Carney-getting-wrong.html

This guy got it wrong last time, how can we trust what he says?

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BakedBeans47 · 03/12/2018 13:10

I’ll freely admit I voted for the good of me and my family and I certainly didn’t vote to make us poorer!

LonelyandTiredandLow · 03/12/2018 13:24

The people I know who voted for leave were certainly not caring or thinking about the poorest. They are Tory voters who don't earn enough for it to be beneficial to vote Tory, who want our country to go back to the glory days of the empire. They want prisoners to be "properly punished". None of them travel or go away for holidays and have little trust of anyone who doesn't speak English (they don't speak other languages) and have no interactions with people from other countries at all. I think the ultra right Tories of today have some kind of aspirational pull to these people.

Talkinpeece · 03/12/2018 13:30

Brexiters need to be CLEAR about what they want
otherwise it can never be achieved.

Hence why I keep asking Leave voters to specify what their markers of Brexit Success will be
the deafening silence tells me a lot of them will be very angry and disappointed by the reality of Brexit

jasjas1973 · 03/12/2018 13:43

Then if no nurses apply to work here training is only option...

But its not at all, for starters, you have to want to want be a nurse, it takes a certain type of person!
it is more than probable that we'll move to a insurance USA based healthcare system, those that cannot afford it, go without and/or have a bare bones system or the NHS will just continue to be run down as it is at mo.

You only have to see what is happening with adult social care; got a house? pay for it your self... not got one? go without or sub std care.

If you think voters will tolerate the tax rises for what you want, then i suggest you are deluded or v wealthy, take a look at the protests in France?

derxa · 03/12/2018 13:51

The people I know who voted for leave were certainly not caring or thinking about the poorest 'Being caring' is not a requirement for eligibility to vote. I'm not particularly 'caring' beyond not wishing ill on other human beings. I voted Remain for many reasons but not because I'm an especially good person. Tony Blair is the arch Remainer but his greedy personal life does not suggest 'caring' to me. Conversely I actually wish we had more politicians of his stature in Parliament.

bellinisurge · 03/12/2018 13:59

What has caring got to do with it? I voted Remain because I care about my family. The success of the Leave vote has merely undermined what dwindling vestige of care I had for other people. In my grumpier moments, I hope they all fucking suffer for their stupidity in voting Leave. Mostly, when I'm not grumpy, I focus on what I need to do to keep my family healthy and thriving and don't give much of a shiny shit about anyone else.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 03/12/2018 14:06

I meant care about poor people, not just caring. Remainers seem to be keen to move forward and keep equality. Leavers co herself seem to think human rights are some form of mollycoddling.

Peregrina · 03/12/2018 14:20

Then if no nurses apply to work here training is only option...

The Tories abolished bursaries for nursing and midwifery students. If they were serious about training UK staff they could reintroduce them now.

More housing proposed by TM herself...

More hot air from Theresa May - she wanted a country which worked for everyone, but has done nothing to bring this about.

lonelyplanetmum · 03/12/2018 14:28

What has caring got to do with it?

The post upthread was that people who support retention of EU membership are only concerned about their own personal bank balances?

bellinisurge · 03/12/2018 14:32

www.irishpost.com/news/stephen-fry-brexit-video-162416

Have some more fun with who came up with the real Project Fear (Spoiler alert: it wasn't Remain)

dapplegrey · 03/12/2018 15:13

I hope they all fucking suffer for their stupidity in voting Leave.

Wow!
Do you say that to leavers you meet in real life?

bellinisurge · 03/12/2018 15:16

Not in real life mainly because they don't see the grumpy side of me. As the rest of my post explains, I only say that when I'm grumpy.

Hesta54 · 03/12/2018 17:33

bellinisurge And you wonder why people that voted leave for what ever reason, will not change their mind, to many people that think they know or feel they are better.
lets hope you and all the remoaners fucking suffer as well.

bellinisurge · 03/12/2018 17:36

Cheers @Hesta54 .

bellinisurge · 03/12/2018 17:51

I say to myself "I hope you suffer for your stupid decision " and that means I think I'm better than you. Hmm
It means I think Brexit is an attempt to mess with my DD's future and, if we have No Deal, I think it means people will actually physically suffer. What with the likely interruption to food supply.
But me thinking negatively about people who want this is me being a real meanie and hurt people's delicate feelz.

JWIM · 03/12/2018 17:51

Hesta is that a recognition that there will indeed be suffering, to which the poorest and most vulnerable will be subject on leaving the EU as a Member State?

LonelyandTiredandLow · 03/12/2018 18:19

If leavers have to accept some humility over this perhaps that is a reasonable life lesson. It seems bizarre to suggest they should be wrapped in cotton wool over their ridiculous decision and it's consequences for our future. Dragging half of the country down despite concern and care by experts and remainers to explain the issues (always dismissed as if leavers know better) says hey don't deserve much compassion. In real life though, remainers are the more humane side of the two (looney liberals as leavers like to call it) which is lucky for leavers. Don't expect us to treat you like infants and tell you it will all be fine though. Certainly that isn't how we have been treated for 2 years. I for one suggest you get over it and suck it up. Your vote will cost lives.

Hesta54 · 03/12/2018 18:22

JWIM Lots of us have been suffering for a long time,

Hesta54 · 03/12/2018 18:26

LonelyandTiredandLow People were asked a question by members of are elected Parliament, they voted to give the public the vote, people that want to leave the EU ( for what ever reason ) would surely expect the elected parliment to have weighed up all available options and prepared for what ever the outcome would be ( obviously it was going to be a leave vote )

Moussemoose · 03/12/2018 18:29

Yes lots of people have been suffering in poverty. It's a disgrace. Brexit will make it worse.

The plan from the right and left who want Brexit is that it will make you suffer.

If you are poor now they want you to suffer. Both right and left who want Brexit.

And then as a result of your suffering you will turn to more extreme solutions. Revolution is what the left want. Deregulation is what the right want.

In desperation they believe you will turn to them. They want you to be poorer. They want you to have less.

Poverty is the crucible that forces change. Historically this is true.

They are playing games and history with your life. You are being played.

bellinisurge · 03/12/2018 18:32

@Hesta54 - have you been suffering because of the EU? Or Tory policies? Because the EU didn't make Tory policies. Very rich capitalists who are looking for a lower regulation environment win big if we leave the EU. And, guess what, they don't give a shit about you.

Hesta54 · 03/12/2018 18:33

Moussemoose So let’s keep the status quo and nothing will improve, it can’t get much worse for a lot of people

bellinisurge · 03/12/2018 18:36

@Hesta54 . It really can get much worse. And it will if we go No Deal.

Quietrebel · 03/12/2018 18:39

That's so naive... Hesta, go to any war torn country and you will see. We in the West live in a bubble. Admittedly it's much tougher for a lot of people, there's real hardship and it's unforgivable because we live in a prosperous country- but real upheaval, revolution, coups etc. That's a whole different ballgame.
Not saying brexit will necessarily result in one of those but as mousse said, there are extremes lurking now in the wings and waiting for their time to pounce and use your suffering against you.

Moussemoose · 03/12/2018 18:46

Yes it can get a lot worse. It really can.

When the pitiful scrap that is Universal Credit goes it will get worse. When the Working Time Directive goes and you have to work 60 hour week it will get worse. When you lose the right to paid holidays it will get worse. When Trade Unions lose the rights they have it will get much, much worse.

It really will get worse.

And then people will look for solutions with the extremists on the right and the left. Then we will deregulate even more and the people will riot.

This is plan. If you are an extremist - from either side - you want people to suffer.

Big historical changes come from poverty and suffering.