Post Brexit forecast... How can we trust what experts say?

[mummmy2017]

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This guy got it wrong last time, how can we trust what he says?

You never heard Remoaner? get over it? suck it up? you lost, we won? PV is anti democratic etc etc

I was surprised the vote was so close, i thought Leave would win by far more.
Remain were complacent but in rural areas, i know few remainers and loads of leavers, most whom are well off and wanted more "control" and in common with not sending money to the EU, also don't want a foreign aid budget either.

Where have I ever said you have less rights to use the services, that I want you to leave the UK.

You haven't said that I should leave but I suppose why would you concern yourself about net cost of EU migrants if not to imply that we shouldn't be here unless we're net contributors?
It's never your friend, neighbour or colleague that you Leavers want gone but you don't realise that your friend, neighbour or colleague may well feel like a second class citizen as a result of your vote.

Pointy thing.
Your view of a nil balance is so wrong...
Someone could be in UK for ten years but in year eleven has an accident and cost a two million to treat..
Someone born here could never be ill till they die and so be cheaper in the long run..
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even if collaboration is harder, we can still do it. Indeed, perhaps itll crystallise where/what we really want or need to collaborate on.

No we can’t. We can no longer collaborate on Galileo because we will not be a member of the EU. One country pressed really hard to prevent non EU members from having access to the security sensitive aspects of Galileo - guess who that was?

So May now wants to spend £3-5 billion creating our own Galileo (plus the £1 billion per annum running costs), except bandwidth constraints now mean we’ll need to go begging to the US, Russia, India, China, Japan.

That “Brexit Bonus” is going to have to stretch a long, long, long way at this rate.

Loletta isn't that the whole point, this was a UK vote, you choose to live here, of your own free will you paid to come to the UK, just as you could leave if you wish.
You get to vote how things are run in your own homeland, do I have a right to tell you how, what or why in that vote... NO.
Trying to lay your personal guilt at my feet is not right.

The stats on contributions aren't made on an individual level, they are made on a population level. So yes, an immigrant could have an accident or illness and cost the UK a lot in NHS care. But so could a UK born individual. On a UK wide level, those things cancel each other out - and the analysis still says that EU born migrants are net contributors. Why do you have such trouble believing that?

Trying to lay your personal guilt at my feet is not right.
Eh?? What guilt?
Tbh your arguments mummmy are so poorly phrased and structured that I'm struggling to grapple with what you're trying to say. I'm not going to lose sleep over it, don't worry.

Because a fruit picker, waitress does not put £28k a year into the economy.
Just because they don't need a doctor, or a policeman. They have to exist just in case and be paid. Does not mean their share of the bills don't count... Until needed.

Mummy you are still looking at it from an individual perspective! These stats are looking at EU immigrants as a population, not as single individuals. You're also assuming that the majority of EU immigrants are doing minimum wage jobs - I'd like to see some evidence for that. Where I work, about half the team are EU immigrants. We are all earning well above minimum wage, we are all graduates, we are all home owners. And we all came to the UK fully educated, vaccinated, young and healthy - we are net contributors.

You get to vote how things are run in your own homeland, do I have a right to tell you how, what or why in that vote... NO.
I have a right to vote in the UK as well as in my "homeland", as you put it, as I'm also a British citizen.
What you're basically saying though is that EU citizens don't have the right to have an opinion on Brexit regardless of how long they've been here or how much they've contributed to this country because it's none of their business, it's not their "homeland". If that doesn't make you a bigot I don't know that does.

If I choose to go and work in a foreign country, that is my choice.
I don't get to vote how that country runs things.
If I then feel like a second class citizen in that country, that is my own problem, no one forced me to be there, I am not chained to a gate post and forced to stay...

If I still stay it is because it financial benefits me and my family, why should I then blame the countrymen of where I am for how I feel...?
Your guilt is your own, not mine...

If I choose to go and work in a foreign country, that is my choice.
I don't get to vote how that country runs things.

That depends entirely on the rules in place in that country.

Do you think it was fair that an Australian on a 2 year working holiday to the UK in 2016 was eligible to vote in the EU referendum?

Bigot... Someone who hates..
I don't know you. So how can I hate you.
So you voted, and got to express your wishes but the vote did not go the way you wished.
And your cross about it...
I voted and expressed my opinion... It was allowed.
NO EU citizens without voting right should not get to tell us what to do.
I used homeland as in where you were born, twist and turn this how you like call me what ever names you wish,.
But the truth is I just wanted to leave the EU club. What ever may come..
People who know me in RL would laugh so hard at you calling me a bigot... So that is water of a ducks back in fact can't wait to tell work you said it tomorrow... We could all do with a giggle...

mummmy

Come on now, do you think it was fair that an Australian on a 2 year working holiday to the UK in 2016 was eligible to vote in the EU referendum?

@mummmy2017
If I choose to go and work in a foreign country, that is my choice.
WRONG
It is the choice of that country whether to accept you.

I was not British until a few years ago.
With my original passport employers, landlords, car insurance companies and banks would have problems dealing with me in the modern UK
even though I've been here since the 1960's
and have earned a fair bit over the years

Brits are so unbelievably spoilt to think that their passports will work everywhere
and they will be welcome everywhere
wake up
Once Brits are no longer part of the EU, other countries will not care about limiting their options

luckily my other passport Trumps yours

Buteo...
Just read up on the citizen thing you asked about....
Under a million could vote...
They think split might be 50/50 but probably more to remain...
But even if none of them had voted, and they all counted as a remain vote.. There would not have been enough to swing the vote...

There would have been enough to swing the vote perhaps if EU citizens with permanent right to remain had been allowed to vote. Instead people like Nick Clegg's Dutch mother, who's lived in the UK longer than she's lived in the Netherlands having fully integrated and contributed to this society, did not get to vote

Permanent right to reside, not remain

Talkinpeece...
Urr if I went abroad and worked there it is because I choose to go.... It is a given I would have to be accepted to get in to be working there in the first place... Or how could I have hypothetical have been there....
You do seem to have chip on your shoulder... Countries do like people with UK passports... Fact not fiction...
As I personally know. They find us polite and kind in the most part... Apart from the stages hens and idiot business men, whom every country dislike.

Loletta
I got my ILR status in 1970
but I would have had no vote under my non UK passport.
My DD turned 18 a few weeks before the vote. The outcome has politicised her.
My DS recently turned 18. He cannot wait to have his say

Mummmy
The UK passport has had the heft of the EU behind it for decades
Once the UK leaves the EU it will join the "other" 25%
Remember that

mummmy so are you saying it’s fair that a Commonwealth citizen temporarily resident in the UK could vote in the referendum, but an EU citizen that has been resident in the UK for decades could not?

And by the way mummmy I'm not "cross" about the vote. I was hurt and it felt like a bereavement up until about a year ago. Now I just pity you and all the Leave voters like you who've been sold lies and unicorns because, unless you're very wealthy, this is going to backfire spectacularly.

Countries do like people with UK passports

Evidence for that please?

Although funnily enough, I know people that always travelled to difficult areas with their second passport as a back up, because it’s true that some groups are happy to single out British passport holders for “special treatment”.

PS
Yes, I do have a "chip on my shoulder"
because the former Home Secretary and now Prime Minister of the UK is a racist Xenophobe
"citizens of nowhere"
"queue jumping EU citizens"
nasty, divisive words that come from where her heart would be