A little quiz for leavers mainly, but anyone may answer

[PrincessMargaret]

If you voted leave, please answer at least three of these, it must include #6.

1. Can you name a bad EU law?
2. What will you do outside the EU that you couldn't do inside the EU?
3. How will WTO tariffs keep us competitive?
4. How will border controls keep our lorries moving?
5. Why would any Multinational stay in the UK with tariffs, mountains of “country of origin” paperwork, and border hold ups?
6. How can you solve the Northern Ireland problem?
7. The EU citizen Hostile Environment. We now have twice as many NON EU immigrants coming to the UK to work than EU, how is that better?
8. Under WTO rules any one of 163 countries can hold a trade deal up for years, is that taking back control?
9. Trade deals take 8 years on average, what do we do in the meantime?
10. Where do you get your information from, ever thought there may be a hidden agenda?

Very interested to see the responses.

Thank you Whizbang for your post, but we’re hard line brexiteers on here & will never be swayed.

While I agree completely with Whizbang I can't but help feel that an extreme 'no deal' dropout is necessary. Until the UK learns that it is a small fairly divided island and not a superpower that it was 150 or so years ago there will not be real' peace' with itself or with neigbours.
How we get from here to 'there' without people dying is the problem.
Maybe the war brewing in the Ukraine might make a few think. If Russia decided to take a piece of the UK in April next year the UK would be in a perilous situation. Currently as part of the EU others are obliged to help. April onwards that link would be gone and we could find that the EU is rather more reticent at joining in. I am not saying they wouldn't but it is a risk. China is buying, or has bought many countries around the world, by 'lending' them many billions for their infrastructure development.
Being aware of these sort of things and equating it to having problems with Universal Credit is difficult, but at some point people need to see the bigger picture. When you start to do this, the UK turns into an ever decreasing small spot.

Who needs to ban freedom of movement when we’ve got 1tisILeClerc - why anyone would come here after reading her put downs is anyone’s guess.

I’m surprised that someone who has so much contempt for the UK spends so much time talking about it. 🤔

Obviously trying to get some people to appreciate and think about the world outside their front door is an uphill struggle.
Discuss valid reasons why the UK should leave of course but telling lies and spreading propaganda is not on.
Saying that immigrants should not be allowed is simply pure hypocrisy as practically all 'British' are immigrants from the current and previous centuries.

We’re not saying immigrants aren’t allowed here, we’re saying we decide who we let in based on skills rather than country of origin.
You know, just like those big suucesful countries you admire.

I do not have 'contempt' for the UK, I am British and lived there for nearly 60 years. British scientists and many others have achieved, with collaboration with others immense projects around the world that is to be admired. It is a travesty that the political 'classes' seek to undermine the greatness we have, supported by some who refuse to think and happily accept any bollocks the government or opposition of the day spout.

{We’re not saying immigrants aren’t allowed here, we’re saying we decide who we let in based on skills rather than country of origin. }
So, leading from this you get the situation that wealthy 'immigrants' will come to the UK and rather than picking fruit, may set up small or large enterprises which would employ 'less well educated' Brits because the government cuts back on education and training.
This means that 'foreigners' will be 'ruling' over Brits. To make manufacture profitable in the UK, and overcome tariffs for trade above the deals the UK has as part of the EU wages will likely FALL.
The UK will become more divided. The wealthy can play their money shuffling games to make more money, and British workers will likely (as proposed by the ERG) loose rights and benefits.

Nissan employees are working for the Japanese. BMW/Rolls Royce etc for the Germans. Vauxhall for (primarily) French. Jaguar Landrover is Indian.

Why are you personally so upset that we’re stopping FOM?
It seems, from your posts, to be eating away at you.

Because we have no reason to stop it unless you're racist

{Why are you personally so upset that we’re stopping FOM? }
Maybe because my job depends on traveling worldwide at a moment's notice and unthinking selfish idiots have made it a lot more difficult.
When I need to travel to the UK in future I am now concerned that my car will be vandalised by brainless fuckwits who still think the EU and anything 'foreign' is the cause of the poverty in the UK.

There is no reason to stop FOM of labour.

All of the reasons for are false.

All of this has been proven repeatedly and has recently been confirmed by the governments own migration committee research.

"we want to select on skills", we do, the labour market shortages decide who the jobs go to, plumbers don't get jobs being mechanics and vice versa.

Nissan employees are working for the Japanese and the French, given who is a major shareholder in Nissan. But it is fine, I am sure there are no car plants in France who could do what those is Sunderland do ?

So we stay in the EU to make travel easier for you & to keep your car safe.

We should put those reasons on a bus.

Mummy I personally think one of the largest single issues for Fishing is that the majority of quotas are held by huge foreign owned vessels, for instance one such ship had 23% of the total quota in 2014. How and why has the UK government has allowed this to happen ?

"We should put those reasons on a bus."

Still be more valid than your iniquitous views.

{But it is fine, I am sure there are no car plants in France who could do what those is Sunderland do ?}
They will be all the Nissans driving around Europe with 'Made in France' labels on the rear windows.
Nissan was welcomed to Sunderland by large sums of money and because the UK was part of the EU. Out of the EU, or 'level playing field' trade agreements puts a big question mark over whether they will stay. Manufacturers leaving is 'just business' and the flipside to 'we voted leave and won' taunts by the the Leave campain.
Surfer. I don't care if you never travel as far as the end of your road, 'EVER' but to deliberately make life difficult for everyone else is a disgusting attitude.

Didn't surfer only vote out because she thinks EU immigrants take up unskilled jobs at the expense of UK workers?

Proved to be repeatedly untrue.

But facts aren't important.

Well sorry 1tisILeClerc I’m not staying in the EU just so you can whizz through customs.

And the fact that you think I should says more about you than it does about me.

You only want to leave the EU for reasons you can't justify, or that you will report to MN if we mention them.

I’ve only ever reported one post in the two years I’ve been posting on this board.

One post.
Reporting people is not my style.

Surfer, like everyone else, ultimately you will be told what to do, whether in or out.
I would vote not to pay any taxes, I do of course realise that would mean no health service, police, roads or anything else.
If your little mind can't cope with the concept of 'common good' then you are the one in need of help but with the irony that you wouldn't get any.

The irony is that the leave voters voted for this.

It wasn't their own personal version of leave that they thought it was.

This is it.

You won, get over it.